Why was The Winged Dragon of Ra nerfed

[supermichael]

I remember before The Winged Dragon of Ra got the ATK and DEF from the 3 monster tributed, normally I used to combine The Winged Dragon of Ra with a Dragon Deck in the past Yu-Gi-Oh games. I used to use Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragons to tribute, which used to give The Winged Dragon of Ra 13,500 ATK and 11,400. Sometimes I even used Five Headed Dragon to tribute for more power.

Now the only way to get The Winged Dragon of Ra with ATK and DEF is by sacrifice nearly all my life points to him. Why in the world was he nerfed. The other two Egyptian God Cards are still powerful.

[mimizukari]

it never got the ATK/DEF of the monsters used to tribute it, the anime is NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE REAL CARD GAME.

You can still get 4000 ATK WDOR by phoenix mode/sphere mode paying 0 LP.

[admontblanc88]

maybe people are also induced in error by duel links, since there's a skill that gives you that Ra anime eff

[supermichael]

Originally posted by Kurumi Tokisaki:

it never got the ATK/DEF of the monsters used to tribute it, the anime is NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE REAL CARD GAME.

You can still get 4000 ATK WDOR by phoenix mode/sphere mode paying 0 LP.

In the Yu-Gi-Oh DS I remember clearly that is how it used to work. I remember that is how I used to win the battles.

[mimizukari]

Originally posted by supermichael7:

Originally posted by Kurumi Tokisaki:

it never got the ATK/DEF of the monsters used to tribute it, the anime is NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE REAL CARD GAME.

You can still get 4000 ATK WDOR by phoenix mode/sphere mode paying 0 LP.

In the Yu-Gi-Oh DS I remember clearly that is how it used to work. I remember that is how I used to win the battles.

neat. you played a game with the anime effect. In fact, the god cards didn't even exist by the time the DS games were coming out, they came out just a few years ago.

[HeraldOfOpera]

Originally posted by Kurumi Tokisaki:

it never got the ATK/DEF of the monsters used to tribute it, the anime is NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE REAL CARD GAME.

You can still get 4000 ATK WDOR by phoenix mode/sphere mode paying 0 LP.

The game(s) he was talking about came out before the real card did, and did in fact give Ra the effect in question. And also let it be summoned from the graveyard because Marik built his deck around doing that in the original anime. Seriously, I know Ra needed a nerf just so that he'd fit on a card that actually has its effects written on it, but this is just dumb.

[supermichael]

Originally posted by Kurumi Tokisaki:

Originally posted by supermichael7:

In the Yu-Gi-Oh DS I remember clearly that is how it used to work. I remember that is how I used to win the battles.

neat. you played a game with the anime effect. In fact, the god cards didn't even exist by the time the DS games were coming out, they came out just a few years ago.

I wasn't aware the god cards didn't exist at the time, so that is why the DS games used to have the anime effect. I guess now it makes sense.

Just curious does the Holactie the Creator of Light exist as a card or is it anime only? That is the fusion of the 3 Egyptian God Cards. Is it in this game?

[admontblanc88]

Originally posted by supermichael7:

Originally posted by Kurumi Tokisaki:

it never got the ATK/DEF of the monsters used to tribute it, the anime is NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE REAL CARD GAME.

You can still get 4000 ATK WDOR by phoenix mode/sphere mode paying 0 LP.

In the Yu-Gi-Oh DS I remember clearly that is how it used to work. I remember that is how I used to win the battles.

some older games had the gods with their original effects, because they were only printed as official, playable cards later. Obelisk was first printed in december 2008, Ra in december 2009, Slifer in december 2011 along with Holactie which wasn't even ever imported into the TCG.

[mimizukari]

Originally posted by supermichael7:

Originally posted by Kurumi Tokisaki:

neat. you played a game with the anime effect. In fact, the god cards didn't even exist by the time the DS games were coming out, they came out just a few years ago.

I wasn't aware the god cards didn't exist at the time, so that is why the DS games used to have the anime effect. I guess now it makes sense.

Just curious does the Holactie the Creator of Light exist as a card or is it anime only? That is the fusion of the 3 Egyptian God Cards. Is it in this game?

Only in my country of Japan, so it doesn't exist in this game, since it has to exist in both JP and West to exist in this game... Horakhty decks are also stupidly OP, while west balances their cards for Exodia, we have to balance for Horakhty, which is why we banned Ancient Fairy Dragon and Level Eater amongst other things.

[admontblanc88]

Originally posted by Kurumi Tokisaki:

Originally posted by supermichael7:

I wasn't aware the god cards didn't exist at the time, so that is why the DS games used to have the anime effect. I guess now it makes sense.

Just curious does the Holactie the Creator of Light exist as a card or is it anime only? That is the fusion of the 3 Egyptian God Cards. Is it in this game?

Only in my country of Japan, so it doesn't exist in this game, since it has to exist in both JP and West to exist in this game... Horakhty decks are also stupidly OP, while west balances their cards for Exodia, we have to balance for Horakhty, which is why we banned Ancient Fairy Dragon and Level Eater amongst other things.

serious? I never imagined Horakhty FTK was so consistent, but then again there are a lot of weird combos that facilitate something like that, there should be some decent videos on yt showcasing it, but the only one I remember used some weird True Name shenanigans.

[mimizukari]

Originally posted by admontblanc88:

Originally posted by Kurumi Tokisaki:

Only in my country of Japan, so it doesn't exist in this game, since it has to exist in both JP and West to exist in this game... Horakhty decks are also stupidly OP, while west balances their cards for Exodia, we have to balance for Horakhty, which is why we banned Ancient Fairy Dragon and Level Eater amongst other things.

serious? I never imagined Horakhty FTK was so consistent, but then again there are a lot of weird combos that facilitate something like that, there should be some decent videos on yt showcasing it, but the only one I remember used some weird True Name shenanigans.

Horakhty is so consistent you only need 1 card in your hand to pull off the entire combo and draw out your entire deck and play all 3 gods + horakhty. That's why we had to ban soooooo many cards to stop it... IT will probably always remain japan only card.

[admontblanc88]

Originally posted by Kurumi Tokisaki:

Originally posted by admontblanc88:

serious? I never imagined Horakhty FTK was so consistent, but then again there are a lot of weird combos that facilitate something like that, there should be some decent videos on yt showcasing it, but the only one I remember used some weird True Name shenanigans.

Horakhty is so consistent you only need 1 card in your hand to pull off the entire combo and draw out your entire deck and play all 3 gods + horakhty. That's why we had to ban soooooo many cards to stop it... IT will probably always remain japan only card.

I'd still prefer TCG got more up to dat with promos, to this day we still don't have Odd-Eyes Revolution Dragon for example, TCG Konami just seem so afraid to give any pendulum strategy some love, coupled with the lack I can see the reason for banning so many cards, but don't presume AFD was banned solely for that since it was also banned in TCG. The card just promoted degenerate strategies in general and was very free once Destrudo was released.

[mimizukari]

Originally posted by admontblanc88:

Originally posted by Kurumi Tokisaki:

Horakhty is so consistent you only need 1 card in your hand to pull off the entire combo and draw out your entire deck and play all 3 gods + horakhty. That's why we had to ban soooooo many cards to stop it... IT will probably always remain japan only card.

I'd still prefer TCG got more up to dat with promos, to this day we still don't have Odd-Eyes Revolution Dragon for example, TCG Konami just seem so afraid to give any pendulum strategy some love, coupled with the lack I can see the reason for banning so many cards, but don't presume AFD was banned solely for that since it was also banned in TCG. The card just promoted degenerate strategies in general and was very free once Destrudo was released.

we have much more clear banlist updates in Japan, we were told that was the main reason AFD was banned at that point; someone popularized the most consistent Horakhty FTK in the game and it was used in a tournament, which drew attention.

[admontblanc88]

Originally posted by Kurumi Tokisaki:

Originally posted by admontblanc88:

I'd still prefer TCG got more up to dat with promos, to this day we still don't have Odd-Eyes Revolution Dragon for example, TCG Konami just seem so afraid to give any pendulum strategy some love, coupled with the lack I can see the reason for banning so many cards, but don't presume AFD was banned solely for that since it was also banned in TCG. The card just promoted degenerate strategies in general and was very free once Destrudo was released.

we have much more clear banlist updates in Japan, we were told that was the main reason AFD was banned at that point; someone popularized the most consistent Horakhty FTK in the game and it was used in a tournament, which drew attention.

yeah, still tcg has been improving a lot in communication with players, the rise of yugitubers are major influencers in the community, and konami reaching out to those people to help promote the game was a major factor in these improvments, there seems to be also a more concerted action with the ocg staff to bring the global game closer.

[HeraldOfOpera]

...Exodia is just flat better than Holactie (Five cards instead of four, but they're easier to search and you don't have to do anything except draw them and can therefore devote your entire deck to doing that). That said, the sole card[yugipedia.com] designed to circumvent any possible summoning requirement is restricted to an original level of 10 or less, probably for the sole purpose of ensuring that you can't use Holactie with it.

Oh, and the TCG banned both of those cards as well, because Links.

[mimizukari]

Originally posted by HeraldOfOpera:

...Exodia is just flat better than Holactie (Five cards instead of four, but they're easier to search and you don't have to do anything except draw them and can therefore devote your entire deck to doing that). That said, the sole card[yugipedia.com] designed to circumvent any possible summoning requirement is restricted to an original level of 10 or less, probably for the sole purpose of ensuring that you can't use Holactie with it.

Oh, and the TCG banned both of those cards as well, because Links.

what makes horakhty so very powerful was soul charge and ancient fairy dragon at the time... All you needed to instantly draw your entire deck was The Elemental Triangle of the Twelve Zodiac Beasts... One card, and then you instantly win the game if opponent had no ash blossom or ghost ogre. It doesn't matter what any other card in your hand was, as long as you had Elemental Triangle it was a one card Horakhty FTK, so you could use Left Arm Offering and auto win as well.