Wizard with a Gun

Wizard with a Gun

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Jawnjay Oct 12, 2023 @ 9:51am
2 player coop?
By the look of the trailer it was way more fun looking having multiple wizards casting spells.
Restricting it to 2 plays really cuts any excitement of playing with a large group of friends. But I guess I'll wait for a mod to come out that'll increase the cap to 4 or more hopefully with a sale.
Originally posted by MechWarden:
Yes, it is at most 2 player Co-op. I do get the letdown of it not being 4 player. I was shocked when I heard that it wasn't 4 player, but given how well made the game has seemed so far, I'm trusting their call on that.

Something about time pressure to launch at a specific date and net-code not being up to par by then has been some of the sited causes. I can also see it being harder to scale up stuff to be fun when 4 players are in as opposed to just 2 player, since you can have a ridiculous amount of force multiplying combos available at once. That means you simply can't double some of the enemy stats when you double the players and call it done.

I personally believe that the devs will want to get 4 player up and going at some point, but right now I'm betting they are having a hectic time patching all the bugs and exploits that were likely discovered in the Closed Beta test, because there is always outrageous bugs and exploits on launch release versions nowadays, especially with games that have a lot of moving parts like this one.

I wouldn't want to use a mod for 4 players, especially early on, since the game play balance for it will likely be terrible until modders get a feel for the game's balance and hack a better netcode system. And by the time modders do get a feel for things, the devs (who already have experience with the game) could make the mod defunct by releasing a proper 4 player experience.
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MechWarden Oct 12, 2023 @ 2:04pm 
Yes, it is at most 2 player Co-op. I do get the letdown of it not being 4 player. I was shocked when I heard that it wasn't 4 player, but given how well made the game has seemed so far, I'm trusting their call on that.

Something about time pressure to launch at a specific date and net-code not being up to par by then has been some of the sited causes. I can also see it being harder to scale up stuff to be fun when 4 players are in as opposed to just 2 player, since you can have a ridiculous amount of force multiplying combos available at once. That means you simply can't double some of the enemy stats when you double the players and call it done.

I personally believe that the devs will want to get 4 player up and going at some point, but right now I'm betting they are having a hectic time patching all the bugs and exploits that were likely discovered in the Closed Beta test, because there is always outrageous bugs and exploits on launch release versions nowadays, especially with games that have a lot of moving parts like this one.

I wouldn't want to use a mod for 4 players, especially early on, since the game play balance for it will likely be terrible until modders get a feel for the game's balance and hack a better netcode system. And by the time modders do get a feel for things, the devs (who already have experience with the game) could make the mod defunct by releasing a proper 4 player experience.
TheLoneCenturion Oct 15, 2023 @ 12:33pm 
I have 3 people I regularly game with, my Brother, my Wife, and my best friend.

Cutting out 2 of those people is out of the question for me, the games trailers and marketing really showcased group teamwork. I feel like the game needed to be delayed till that was possible but either way, I will hold off until its added.

Was really excited for this game, there are very few cool indie coop games out and it sucks that this isn't going to be one for us until they make a change.
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MechWarden Oct 15, 2023 @ 1:15pm 
It feels like they had to launch now to make some sort of important release deadline. I'm just glad they have Devolver Digital as a publisher, rather than EA.

I'd say give it a bit of time, since the devs heard players loud and clear that they wanted this game to be 4 player.
AmadeusTwi Oct 16, 2023 @ 9:36am 
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Originally posted by MechWarden:
It feels like they had to launch now to make some sort of important release deadline. I'm just glad they have Devolver Digital as a publisher, rather than EA.

I'd say give it a bit of time, since the devs heard players loud and clear that they wanted this game to be 4 player.

I do like your enthusiasm, but you damage control way too much without getting paid. Seeing your name in every thread, and not developer's, seems very weird and gives a bad look for devs — one exact player(?) seems more enthusiastic to answering customer's questions, than them.
False Oct 16, 2023 @ 9:41am 
Hope they bring 4 player coop asap, the past marketing was very misleading as our group was ready to jump in. Its a won't buy until that cap is bumped for me
burrito Oct 16, 2023 @ 10:48am 
i have a group of 4 and we were looking forward to this. my hype is completely dead and i doubt i'll buy it unless they make it 4-player.
dainiuscrazius Oct 16, 2023 @ 12:58pm 
Been looking forward to this game since 2021. Was about to buy it, before I noticed it now is only for 2 players. I exclusively play games with at least three friends, so that's a dealbreaker. Very disappointed, and hope they patch it soon.
Zeppelin Oct 16, 2023 @ 1:44pm 
Just voicing my support for this. I would love 4-player co-op! Or in the meantime, at least split screen local co-op!
W.A. the Anum Oct 16, 2023 @ 3:03pm 
im just keeping it short, i mean the story is also said about "FOUR" wizards...it really is weird if you cant even be a group of 4 with your friends yourself if the story kinda "hints" it. I mean i thought as i played the demo it could be a nice 4 player game, i dont wanna talk it down but it wouldhave maken more sense if it would be a 4 player game tbh. its srsly disapointing...


EDIT:
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/wizard-with-a-gun-is-a-co-op-shooter-with-dont-starve-vibes

A friend shown me this and yea, i was right so itseems, normally the game was for 2-5 players so it seems so they cutted it down to only 1-2 players... thats a HUGE bummer.
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MechWarden Oct 16, 2023 @ 10:09pm 
Originally posted by AmadeusTwi:
Originally posted by MechWarden:
It feels like they had to launch now to make some sort of important release deadline. I'm just glad they have Devolver Digital as a publisher, rather than EA.

I'd say give it a bit of time, since the devs heard players loud and clear that they wanted this game to be 4 player.

I do like your enthusiasm, but you damage control way too much without getting paid. Seeing your name in every thread, and not developer's, seems very weird and gives a bad look for devs — one exact player(?) seems more enthusiastic to answering customer's questions, than them.
You do know that devs are rarely seen on Steam forums, right? It's practically all social media or Discord now, not some decades old message system that was around before zoomers were born. I've been in many Steam game forums with various player base sizes, and the devs only show up once in a blue moon.

But yeah, I can type a lot and was bored... really bored (plz send help). I was interested in the game and so kept the dead forum company since all the action was elsewhere.

Also I don't know what you mean by damage control. I totally criticized some of what they did, like how short the demo was, and how it didn't feel like it gave enough of an example of how the game played. I did see a fun game loop there, but damn did the devs keep things tight lipped.

If anything, that obscurity is what's hurting them the most, especially now. The regulars on their Discord are hopeful that 4-player will come, but it really would be nice if we got more info on a key feature of their game. They gave a lot of lore about characters and game areas, but multiplayer stuff? I can't recall seeing much about that.

The devs aren't perfect, but I know they are listening and want to do the right thing. But doing the right thing is never easy.
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Date Posted: Oct 12, 2023 @ 9:51am
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