Gog version plz

[Batman]

[Cursed Hawkins]

Bruh, the game's on sale right now until March 14th, are you that broke?

[MechWarden]

Oh, -40% off until March 14th. Nice!

[OrangePython]

Yeah, a GOG release would be greatly appreciated!

[MechWarden]

While I get that there was an announcement for WWaG to be on GOG, and it never happened on release; as well as more or less knowing what GOG is about (archiving games, DRM-Free games, etc), what are people wanting out of this?

Isn't there compatibility issues having a GOG copy of a game and trying to play with friends that have Steam copy?

Other than the possible price point, and making it DRM-Free (which I've never seen any DRM related issues while playing this game), what benefits are there for it being on GOG for you guys?

Both people here that want it on GOG have a thousand or more Steam games! So either they are stupid (which I highly doubt) because they seem just fine with buying games on Steam, or there is some very significant and tangible benefit with the GOG published games that I'm just not seeing.

[OrangePython]

Originally posted by MechWarden:

what benefits are there for it being on GOG for you guys?

Games released on GOG feel safer to me somehow. Just a greater sense of like... Peace of mind, haha. Like, as long as I have the installer backed up, I know that the dev and my preferred storefront has my money, and nobody can revoke my legit copy ^^

While GOG is just another storefront to most people, and often seen as an inferior one at that... I dunno, just seems better curated and cleaner, despite the lack of most of Steam's conveniences. Same reason I prefer to buy music from BandCamp and just play the MP3s locally through my own favorite software rather than engaging with streaming services.

Kinda hard to explain, but I deeply appreciate the trust offered to us when a game is released on GOG, and in return I tend to buy over there at higher prices and don't abuse the lack of DRM. Just feels more ethical somehow :3

[MechWarden]

That is a very good point. Having a physical or (reliable) local copy of things is getting rarer and rarer these days. That said, I feel like Steam is way better at respecting End-User copies than other places (see 'Sony Discovery drama') even though it is technically possible for owned games to be deleted here. I have had (pre-release) demos and play test games get rightfully deleted (the .exe and content gutted) upon an update, so the function is there. However I'm sure there would be an outrage if that got abused.

From what I understand, Steam does a really good job of archiving games as well. They don't go the extra step of making older versions playable, but Steam does record every version of a game that has been published, as well as never deleting a game from their database (for better or worse, see the 'Only Up' and 'The Day Before' drama). I remember someone doing some technical know-how and played the first Early Access version of Subnautica. That was a trip lol.

Being able to hold onto personal copies of games does feel like it is becoming rare thing; which is why I mainly stick to Steam, since it feels like their goals are based on user respect, rather than mainly around money.

[OrangePython]

Absolutely!!

But yeah, as far as I know, the dev hasn't expressed any opposition to releasing on GOG. If it isn't gonna happen and there's official word on the matter to that effect, I'll absolutely respect it! But until then, I don't see any harm in asking if a game that looks pretty neat will wind up on my PC game storefront of choice

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by MechWarden:

From what I understand, Steam does a really good job of archiving games as well. They don't go the extra step of making older versions playable, but Steam does record every version of a game that has been published, as well as never deleting a game from their database (for better or worse, see the 'Only Up' and 'The Day Before' drama). I remember someone doing some technical know-how and played the first Early Access version of Subnautica. That was a trip lol.

You are out of the loop of what happened when Helldivers 2 and Palworld had fake store pages for them, I then find this on YouTube which notes that there was A LOT more fake store pages than just the two known ones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmIwBIs6FVk&pp=ygUPc3RlYW0gZmFrZSBnYW1l

[MechWarden]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Originally posted by MechWarden:

From what I understand, Steam does a really good job of archiving games as well. They don't go the extra step of making older versions playable, but Steam does record every version of a game that has been published, as well as never deleting a game from their database (for better or worse, see the 'Only Up' and 'The Day Before' drama). I remember someone doing some technical know-how and played the first Early Access version of Subnautica. That was a trip lol.

You are out of the loop of what happened when Helldivers 2 and Palworld had fake store pages for them, I then find this on YouTube which notes that there was A LOT more fake store pages than just the two known ones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmIwBIs6FVk&pp=ygUPc3RlYW0gZmFrZSBnYW1l

Not really. I saw that exact video and shared it with friends 4 days ago.

The video talks about removing those scam games from the store, not from their database. Even when trying to redeem a key for one of those fake games, (as said on timestamp 7:30 on the video) it will still refer to the scam game by its spoofed name, because that is what the name was set to before the so-called 'devs' were locked out of it.

What I'm talking about in terms of Only Up and The Day Before drama are people selling un-redeemed keys, or even entire accounts with it active, to other people that want access to those now removed games. This only works because Steam does not delete games from their database. Both of those games (and many others) were delisted from the store because of them breaking some sort of policy or rule, and yet is Steam unwilling to pull even those products off of people's Steam accounts (without the owner's consent and compensation, aka a refund).

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by MechWarden:

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

You are out of the loop of what happened when Helldivers 2 and Palworld had fake store pages for them, I then find this on YouTube which notes that there was A LOT more fake store pages than just the two known ones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmIwBIs6FVk&pp=ygUPc3RlYW0gZmFrZSBnYW1l

Not really. I saw that exact video and shared it with friends 4 days ago.

The video talks about removing those scam games from the store, not from their database. Even when trying to redeem a key for one of those fake games, (as said on timestamp 7:30 on the video) it will still refer to the scam game by its spoofed name, because that is what the name was set to before the so-called 'devs' were locked out of it.

What I'm talking about in terms of Only Up and The Day Before drama are people selling un-redeemed keys, or even entire accounts with it active, to other people that want access to those now removed games. This only works because Steam does not delete games from their database. Both of those games (and many others) were delisted from the store because of them breaking some sort of policy or rule, and yet is Steam unwilling to pull even those products off of people's Steam accounts (without the owner's consent and compensation, aka a refund).

Except in the case of The Day Before, Valve did issue global refunds to all that bought the game, meaning no accounts should have that "game" on them.

[OrangePython]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Except in the case of The Day Before, Valve did issue global refunds to all that bought the game, meaning no accounts should have that "game" on them.

The refund only applied to those who sought it out. There are those who like to collect games (or anything, really) for the sake of it, even if the game can't be played. The fact that anybody could have claimed a refund despite the number of hours played means that any account with the game still on it is all the more rare, valuable, and desirable to those folks... setting aside the obvious lack of quality of some of the games themselves.

There are entire groups on Steam dedicated to owning significant numbers of now delisted and otherwise inaccessible games, and while that's not for me, I could see the fun in a hobby like that despite its occasional absurdity ^^

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by OrangePython:

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Except in the case of The Day Before, Valve did issue global refunds to all that bought the game, meaning no accounts should have that "game" on them.

The refund only applied to those who sought it out. There are those who like to collect games (or anything, really) for the sake of it, even if the game can't be played. The fact that anybody could have claimed a refund despite the number of hours played means that any account with the game still on it is all the more rare, valuable, and desirable to those folks... setting aside the obvious lack of quality of some of the games themselves.

There are entire groups on Steam dedicated to owning significant numbers of now delisted and otherwise inaccessible games, and while that's not for me, I could see the fun in a hobby like that despite its occasional absurdity ^^

Not in the example with The Day Before, after all since Steam still had ALL and I mean that literally, ALL of the money that was spent to buy that "game" Valve was within their grounds to issue refunds to everyone that bought that game, wither it was requested or not.

[OrangePython]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Not in the example with The Day Before, after all since Steam still had ALL and I mean that literally, ALL of the money that was spent to buy that "game" Valve was within their grounds to issue refunds to everyone that bought that game, wither it was requested or not.

Oh shoot, I never bought the game so I never noticed! Is that what they did and nobody has it in their library anymore? :o

[MechWarden]

Yeah, after doing some more research it looks like The Day Before was fully refunded to all customers after the dev team closed up shop and disappeared (as if it the scam wasn't obvious enough). All keys (used or otherwise) were deactivated and licences were pulled from accounts and given full refunds. There is no way for anyone to have a legit Steam copy.

Though Google searches still bring up articles about some people trying to make bank selling unused keys for exorbitant prices. There were so many of those articles, it was easy to miss the full refund detail if you don't search the right way.
(And I now remember hearing about a full refund, but at that point I didn't really care anymore about it)

That said, the game is still in Steam's Data Base. Despite being delisted 3 months ago, a few people have been fun messing with the tags as of late. Massive Mulitplayer has been removed and re-added a month or two ago, as well as a Category change of "Family Sharing" 10 days ago... whatever that means.
(can be seen here https://steamdb.info/app/1372880/history/)

So, the main point of Valve not deleting games pretty much still stands. It is just that The Day Before was so egregious that access to it was completely removed.

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by MechWarden:

Yeah, after doing some more research it looks like The Day Before was fully refunded to all customers after the dev team closed up shop and disappeared (as if it the scam wasn't obvious enough). All keys (used or otherwise) were deactivated and licences were pulled from accounts and given full refunds. There is no way for anyone to have a legit Steam copy.

Though Google searches still bring up articles about some people trying to make bank selling unused keys for exorbitant prices. There were so many of those articles, it was easy to miss the full refund detail if you don't search the right way.
(And I now remember hearing about a full refund, but at that point I didn't really care anymore about it)

That said, the game is still in Steam's Data Base. Despite being delisted 3 months ago, a few people have been fun messing with the tags as of late. Massive Mulitplayer has been removed and re-added a month or two ago, as well as a Category change of "Family Sharing" 10 days ago... whatever that means.
(can be seen here https://steamdb.info/app/1372880/history/)

So, the main point of Valve not deleting games pretty much still stands. It is just that The Day Before was so egregious that access to it was completely removed.

After this scandal, that Data Base will probably get touched up because Valve does seem to make sure the policies put in place for Steam do cover their ass since Steam as it stands is a big money maker for them with them taking I believe it's 30% of a product's revenue in terms of sales.