[DONE] Respec : Yes but done right without breaking the balance

[Rocket]

See a lot of posts and questions about it. And it's very popular (understatement) on featureupvote. We've been considering how to do it for some time. We just want to make sure it's done in the way that still makes the consequences and tradeoffs of decisions worthwhile and meaningful.

The working theory is to have you spend exotics.

It's not something we want to rush in. Im sure in the short term it would make people happy, perhaps even bump up our review score - but *rushing* it in would be very bad long term. We will do this, but we will do it right. After the rocky launch the last thing I want to do is do a poor job of respec and break the game.

[GMO Enhanced Water]

Jace eredeti hozzászólása:

Isaac Watney eredeti hozzászólása:

But you r missing the real spot here.
Icarus went to be hard, not full assisted and easy. I mean, stop crying because you r losing things.

Brace yourself.

Respect should be a new character. But I'm agreed with one respect since we can do missclick or just missunderstood talent.

I think you meant re-spec (respect is vastly different)

It sounds like you want the game to die and not realize you are saying exactly what all the other people who scream "hardcore is for hardcore get out of here if you can't handle it snow flake." then wonder why no one is playing with them or that game anymore. Either way a system where you need to constantly re lvl is also bad. Take for example the latest hotfixes where it was found that certain talent points where just not working correctly or at all. so if you put all those points in and they aren't working right or at all why should you be punished for a in game bug? I don't plan on making a new character every time a patch causes my character to break due to an issue with a select few talent points. Even if they don't affect you and the way you play is irrelevant since there are many other people who do. And a single talent being broken may cause one person to have a bad time or 25k players to have a bad time.

Extension: If the developers wanna go the rout of punishing players regardless if its their mistake or not is on them. This discussion has been going on for awhile now and you might just get your way with ever increasing costs for no actual reason other than to make you grind a select few mission just so you can experiment in the game.

The developers already have my money so they can do want. I havn't played since I got to 41 and don't plan on coming back till they uncap the talent points or at least unlimited re-spec. My review will remain thumbs down on the game till that happens.

[Foxi]

I was disappointed in the game. at first I lost the Persian during a mission in the winter, where I had to put the radar on the roof and it started snowing through the textures, everything went wrong and the game crashed. after that I could not enter the mission and continue it, and my teammates could not enter either. And here it is again. after completing a mission where you have to kill a predator (panther). I did everything and when I ran to the chilnok, the game crashed and I can't go in and continue. Again minus one more Persian. Also top armor, knife, pickaxe and so far. Honestly, I'm already tired of downloading the Persian, making money to buy a set and screw everything up because of the game's bugs. I hope you understand what I have written, see my native language is Russian.

[delerium76]

Isaac Watney eredeti hozzászólása:

delerium76 eredeti hozzászólása:

there's absolutely no reason to limit it to once per character. This game is evolving so much that even with one respec, you could easily have your trait setup nerfed later on and you'd be stuck with it unless you started a new character. I agree there should be a cost to respec, and possibly a restriction on how often you can respec, but in an evolving game you should never lock it to a fixed amount.

But you r missing the real spot here.
Icarus went to be hard, not full assisted and easy. I mean, stop crying because you r losing things.

Brace yourself.

Respect should be a new character. But I'm agreed with one respect since we can do missclick or just missunderstood talent.

You seem to be missing the point. I don't want a respec because I think the game is hard. Hell, the game isn't even that hard. I want a respec because the devs haven't even finished the game yet and keep changing how things work. What I make now may work for now, but in a month? It might not. Or they could add new traits, and my character is already past level 40 with no points left to spend.

I still think the best idea would be to be able to surrender traits for a price to get back points. That price could be exotics, or research points, or even a new made up currency that you get given to you over time. whatever it is, it shouldn't be too expensive to make it pointless, but expensive enough for there to be a desire to work for the change.

[BloodySin]

This is a session-based, friends- or invite-only game.
Let players be the ones worrying about "breaking the balance" in their own sessions by controlling who they invite, instead of babying them arbitrarily.

[MythN7]

honestly, being able to respec freely from the space station hub would not be over powered, as you would be stuck with your tallents for the whole prospect.
this would let us tune our char for the mission ahead, or try new things out.

[Enoch Dagor]

rocket2guns eredeti hozzászólása:

See a lot of posts and questions about it. And it's very popular (understatement) on featureupvote. We've been considering how to do it for some time. We just want to make sure it's done in the way that still makes the consequences and tradeoffs of decisions worthwhile and meaningful.

The working theory is to have you spend exotics.

It's not something we want to rush in. Im sure in the short term it would make people happy, perhaps even bump up our review score - but *rushing* it in would be very bad long term. We will do this, but we will do it right. After the rocky launch the last thing I want to do is do a poor job of respec and break the game.

First respec should be free. Don't penalize for not knowing the game before playing it. That is unfair. After that, charge whatever because by the time I want to do a respec I better know what I want to respec as.

[Foxi]

delerium76 eredeti hozzászólása:

Isaac Watney eredeti hozzászólása:

But you r missing the real spot here.
Icarus went to be hard, not full assisted and easy. I mean, stop crying because you r losing things.

Brace yourself.

Respect should be a new character. But I'm agreed with one respect since we can do missclick or just missunderstood talent.

You seem to be missing the point. I don't want a respec because I think the game is hard. Hell, the game isn't even that hard. I want a respec because the devs haven't even finished the game yet and keep changing how things work. What I make now may work for now, but in a month? It might not. Or they could add new traits, and my character is already past level 40 with no points left to spend.

I still think the best idea would be to be able to surrender traits for a price to get back points. That price could be exotics, or research points, or even a new made up currency that you get given to you over time. whatever it is, it shouldn't be too expensive to make it pointless, but expensive enough for there to be a desire to work for the change.

It's not about things and I'm not crying. My mission is not loading, the game is crashing. I load and it crashes. I checked the integrity of the files, the drivers were updated, the Game was reinstalled 3 times. This is not my first Persian. I'm just tired of going through the same thing to buy everything back and dress all the Persians. All Icarus passed all missions. And on a free map it is not interesting, boring. And I bought Icarus: Supporters Edition. With the hope that things will not be so fast. Now I can't play at all because the game crashes after an unfinished mission

[Zylor]

Atleast let the first respec be for free

[delerium76]

Foxi eredeti hozzászólása:

delerium76 eredeti hozzászólása:

You seem to be missing the point. I don't want a respec because I think the game is hard. Hell, the game isn't even that hard. I want a respec because the devs haven't even finished the game yet and keep changing how things work. What I make now may work for now, but in a month? It might not. Or they could add new traits, and my character is already past level 40 with no points left to spend.

I still think the best idea would be to be able to surrender traits for a price to get back points. That price could be exotics, or research points, or even a new made up currency that you get given to you over time. whatever it is, it shouldn't be too expensive to make it pointless, but expensive enough for there to be a desire to work for the change.

It's not about things and I'm not crying. My mission is not loading, the game is crashing. I load and it crashes. I checked the integrity of the files, the drivers were updated, the Game was reinstalled 3 times. This is not my first Persian. I'm just tired of going through the same thing to buy everything back and dress all the Persians. All Icarus passed all missions. And on a free map it is not interesting, boring. And I bought Icarus: Supporters Edition. With the hope that things will not be so fast. Now I can't play at all because the game crashes after an unfinished mission

did you respond to the wrong person? I agree with you. It's the other guy who said it should be hard and stop crying.

[Robo]

1st respec has to be free and then the rest can be spent ingame currency to respec

[Nisman]

I have read ll 258 comments. I hope you do the same, devs.

[Ben]

Nisman eredeti hozzászólása:

I have read ll 258 comments. I hope you do the same, devs.

Really? How we know you say truth?

[Retribution]

Free respecs. could be earned as a one time mission reward.
Free respec. could be a traded in for a high value item found randomly on Icarus.
Free respecs. could happen at lvls 40,75, 90. 99
Free respec coud be unlocked upon completion of all mission (although what is there to do then) or after a certain "block" of missions

I'm sure there are a million better ideas than these 10 second ones. Just figured I'd toss them out without reading the 10 pages in front of me

[EaszyTarget]

how about a potion that is crafted in the tier 4 chemistry bench ? that would stop people wanting to respec every 5 minutes , and would mean that you would have to work for it , although people could possibly make an outpost and use that ??

[Kaiyaran]

For me the best option is that respect can only be done on the lobby when you are not in a prospect. This way you can prepare your talents to the mission