Empress build?

[Call]

Hi! I've been playing with the Witch, but recently, I really got my eyes on the Empress and decided to try it out.

And dang, I regret not trying her sooner. She's pretty much Zero from MMZ and I loved it! I was looking for some builds and saw some people saying that the best with her is STR/AGI build, is this true? I have no idea at all if it's viable or optimal, but I'd like to build her around the fire contract (her default contract, I just like the red color scheme better than the others).

[Lesmir]

for what i have see and read the empress is a trap , she is a powerhouse at low to mid level , specialy good at killing boss but later in the game she fall off behind all the other. her lack of mobility is a sure death in many situation.

as for the stat

full PIE if you want to deal massive dmg with the continous cannon ( specialy usefull in multiplayer and for boss ) you really play a megaman character there

str/agi is more for solo or all around character but you wont be doing massive dmg with the cannon

[Delriel]

Not sure if they added decent empress shortwords on updates. Short sword empress is quite agile

[ZweiStar]

mine atm is 2:1 str/agi build with lightning contract, unless you go for a pie build I would suggest changing your element asap

[WarRock]

Originally posted by Lesmir:

for what i have see and read the empress is a trap , she is a powerhouse at low to mid level , specialy good at killing boss but later in the game she fall off behind all the other. her lack of mobility is a sure death in many situation.

Not true at all, at least in the current version. Though yeah, she lacks defensive options outside of the shortsword lunge.

Originally posted by ZweiStar:

mine atm is 2:1 str/agi build with lightning contract, unless you go for a pie build I would suggest changing your element asap

Except fire applies burn which increases your physical damage on afflicted targets, so why would you change if you are going for a str+agi build

[ZweiStar]

Originally posted by WarRock:

Except fire applies burn which increases your physical damage on afflicted targets, so why would you change if you are going for a str+agi build

yeah but there are situations where the fire shot just doesn't do anything, like the boss of Truth in Heaven. I find the ability to just fire and forget with lightning makes up for some of empress' shortcomings.

[Call]

Originally posted by WarRock:

Originally posted by Lesmir:

for what i have see and read the empress is a trap , she is a powerhouse at low to mid level , specialy good at killing boss but later in the game she fall off behind all the other. her lack of mobility is a sure death in many situation.

Not true at all, at least in the current version. Though yeah, she lacks defensive options outside of the shortsword lunge.

Originally posted by ZweiStar:

mine atm is 2:1 str/agi build with lightning contract, unless you go for a pie build I would suggest changing your element asap

Except fire applies burn which increases your physical damage on afflicted targets, so why would you change if you are going for a str+agi build

So, is she good? I saw a tier list for the current patch where she was a close second, with the Witch being the first.

And what does 2:1 str/agi mean? Sorry, I'm kinda slow when it comes to these kind of things. Does this means that for each point I invest in agi, I should put 2 in STR?

[Lesmir]

i recomand you to check high level boss and see if you can manage to dodge all those attack with only your normal jump. and if you like her cannon ability going str/agi will make it do little dmg you will rely more on normal attack/combo. plus later lv boss have very little opening or recovery time to let you use her canon fully without risking your life. and if you are to play her for her normal attack ( str/agi ) then why not play ninja instead , more damage more mobility and cooler execution.

[WarRock]

Originally posted by ZweiStar:

Originally posted by WarRock:

Except fire applies burn which increases your physical damage on afflicted targets, so why would you change if you are going for a str+agi build

yeah but there are situations where the fire shot just doesn't do anything, like the boss of Truth in Heaven. I find the ability to just fire and forget with lightning makes up for some of empress' shortcomings.

But then your shot is doing way less damage than it would if you were using a PIE build anyway.

Originally posted by Call:

Originally posted by WarRock:

Not true at all, at least in the current version. Though yeah, she lacks defensive options outside of the shortsword lunge.



Except fire applies burn which increases your physical damage on afflicted targets, so why would you change if you are going for a str+agi build

So, is she good? I saw a tier list for the current patch where she was a close second, with the Witch being the first.

And what does 2:1 str/agi mean? Sorry, I'm kinda slow when it comes to these kind of things. Does this means that for each point I invest in agi, I should put 2 in STR?

Yeah, for both questions. Dunno if you absolutely need to follow that ratio, but the idea is to raise both, focusing more on one than the other at first to make things easier at the beginning.

[Lesmir]

Originally posted by WarRock:

Originally posted by ZweiStar:

yeah but there are situations where the fire shot just doesn't do anything, like the boss of Truth in Heaven. I find the ability to just fire and forget with lightning makes up for some of empress' shortcomings.

But then your shot is doing way less damage than it would if you were using a PIE build anyway.

Originally posted by Call:

So, is she good? I saw a tier list for the current patch where she was a close second, with the Witch being the first.

And what does 2:1 str/agi mean? Sorry, I'm kinda slow when it comes to these kind of things. Does this means that for each point I invest in agi, I should put 2 in STR?

Yeah, for both questions. Dunno if you absolutely need to follow that ratio, but the idea is to raise both, focusing more on one than the other at first to make things easier at the beginning.

since later on you cant get really more hit over monster and boss you just need more agi than the monster/boss you want to fight and all the rest into str ( item include )

[Call]

Originally posted by Lesmir:

Originally posted by WarRock:

But then your shot is doing way less damage than it would if you were using a PIE build anyway.



Yeah, for both questions. Dunno if you absolutely need to follow that ratio, but the idea is to raise both, focusing more on one than the other at first to make things easier at the beginning.

since later on you cant get really more hit over monster and boss you just need more agi than the monster/boss you want to fight and all the rest into str ( item include )

Alright, I have another question to ask. Which is stronger? I don't really care if I'll end up having to use the Dragon Cannon more to deal more damage, but from what I understand about what you guys were saying, physical may be stronger because of the burning making me do double damage. So, which is stronger? And if I go for a full PIE build, would I need to change contract? If yes, which one? I'd like to keep the fire one since I really like the red color scheme tho.

[Lesmir]

Originally posted by Call:

Originally posted by Lesmir:

since later on you cant get really more hit over monster and boss you just need more agi than the monster/boss you want to fight and all the rest into str ( item include )

Alright, I have another question to ask. Which is stronger? I don't really care if I'll end up having to use the Dragon Cannon more to deal more damage, but from what I understand about what you guys were saying, physical may be stronger because of the burning making me do double damage. So, which is stronger? And if I go for a full PIE build, would I need to change contract? If yes, which one? I'd like to keep the fire one since I really like the red color scheme tho.

like i said previously , Str/agi is more all around and better for solo play , if you like massive damage , to burst down boss and play with other go PIE

PIE make your cannon do tones of damage but you need your bar to fill up . when playing multiplayer you dont have to bother much cause other player's attack/kill will fill the bar for you

personaly i prefer to play her PIE cause like i said if you play her str/agi you are basicaly playing a worst version of the ninja

as for the contract/element it depend on your preference and play style

lightning let you shoot homing shot , which can be great versus flying or moving boss , plus it let you stay more at range

ice deal the most dmg but is super short range and i dont like the feel of the shot and you can only aim foward or upward with the continious shot

fire is good with a team of physical for the bonus dmg with burns ( also good for you if you play str/agi) and is a good all around contract

poison is cool for the damaging cloud that linger a bit and the poison effect but the range is not great . but once you are shooting you can aim a bit up or down . its a ok contract but not super imo

i didnt tested wind yet

i really like the lightning one cause its not the best dps but the homing shot is really handfull specialy when you need to move around to dodge attack

also i really recommend using the dagger over the sword for the boost in mobility