why does everyone hate brutal doom?

[oChalko]

sure it changes the formula but not really by much
imo it should inspire people to mod
never seen a mod quite like brutal doom while keeping it somewhat original and still fresh with new addons
modding can go really far and yes i know it can only happen if we get tools and source but
mods like this are cool and unique

[rusty_dragon]

引用自 Crashed：

引用自 ConseQuence：

Literally the only way to play old DOOMs with fun and without falling asleep.

Surely that could be considered offensive to the original game's creators?
With that said, I do admit I use the Nuked OPL3 synthesizer in GZDoom for that retro sound.

Offensive? That's a strange way to put it. ;)

[Profile_Name]

Brutal Doom is good. I think the problem is that the creator has too much of an ego that it pissed off enough people. I prefer Project Brutality, its brutal doom but more.

[Tsuki Zero]

引用自 Profile Name：

I prefer Project Brutality

That's one thing I don't hear that often.

As for people who think vanilla is boring or puts them to sleep, they certainly never played the way it was intended, and BD is NOT the only way to make it (more) interesting, there's a vast number of Gameplay Mods out there.

[StrikerTheHedgefox]

引用自 MrEWhite：

引用自 Allard：

At its core, the DOOM experience is simple and elegant in just about everything, from gameplay to graphics to music. This is what kept it timeless. It's like a cup of tea.

Brutal DOOM then, is a two-litre bottle of ice tea that has brandy, motor oil, cough syrup, cat piss and camel vomit added into the mix. It's an edgelord feature creep that bears only the slightest resemblance to the actual experience in any of its aspects, be it graphics or gameplay. Just about the only good thing about it is Andrew Hulshult's music. The rest of it is pure unadulterated garbage; a twelve-year old's idea of DOOM; a 1997 George Lucas Special Edition of DOOM. No thanks, return to sender.

And that minority is called "Most of the DOOM fandom"

This.

The dev of it also told someone who was suicidal to kill themselves by suffocating themselves with a bag.

That's not the only thing, either. Another thing he did was use images of real murders and whatnot at one point as the base for the gore sprites in a separate PWAD at one point. Another was leaving extremely racist remarks in the code, such as the plasma rifle "Turning it's victims into n*ggers faster than rap".

[the milk man]

The current version of BD is massively overbloated with unnecessary content and Project Brutality is an overall better mod anyway.

[k'nt]

引用自 Chalko：

sure it changes the formula but not really by much
imo it should inspire people to mod
never seen a mod quite like brutal doom while keeping it somewhat original and still fresh with new addons
modding can go really far and yes i know it can only happen if we get tools and source but
mods like this are cool and unique

This OP is obfuscating like a mofo

[Doktor Mandrake]

A lot of youngsters these days start with brutal doom, or some form of heavily modified versions of the games.

Where as they should be starting with the original way to play, including a crt monitor...or at the very least a faithful source port like chocolate doom or something.

[1337Walrus]

I started with Brutal, ultimately moved to mostly playing through Chocolate or PRBoom+.

It has quite a bit of feature bloat, and MarkIV was behind a good number of controversies, like encouraging someone to commit suicide, attempting to 'spice up' the gore by using images of real life corpses, and, apparently, using racist jokes in the coding (can't confirm).

I hear he's mostly mellowed out, but I still avoid it because it just plain runs badly on my system. Apparently it wasn't optimized super well.

[Daikatan]

引用自 Doom Punk：

And instead they chose a mod made by a manchild that does nothing innovative except add more gore.

You sound as biased as BD haters with such statements.

Some maps have an Map Enhancement system. Modifying maps into its 'brutalized' form, can be enabled or disabled in the options.

New game modes that can be selected when starting a new game, Standard Mode (Default gameplay and default weapons, either in a pistol start or an assault rifle start), Purist (Plays through the Vanilla Doom weapons) and Tactical Mode (Lower speed, but can sprint. Otherwise the same as standard mode).

You can kick monsters away (Default Key: Q), similar to Duke Nukem 3D. In addition, the player can also slide kick and air kick by crouching and moving forward while kicking, jumping while moving forward while kicking, respectively.You can kick Hell Knight, Baron of Hell and Heavy weapon dude in the nuts, causing them to go in a longer pain state, but attack in a much more aggressive state afterwards.

Most weapons now use a reload mechanism. Can be enabled or disabled in the options, entirely disabled at the 'Black Metal' difficulty. Also auto-reload can be toggled.

All enemies have remastered sprites and animations.

Many enemies have new attacks, such as the imp's pouncing attack. Can be disabled or enabled through options.

Headshots can be executed on many enemies, except the Cyberdemon, spider mastermind, cacodemon, demon, lost soul, and pain elemental.

Some enemies have "overkill" expanded death animations - they can be mutilated by continuing damaging them between they suffer the killing blow, but before their bodies fall to the floor.

Randomly, the player can also be awarded "brutality bonuses": small health recovery in response to particularly brutal kills (often caused by the "overkills").

There are more complex gibs and extensive decal bloodstains.

When berserk, Players can perform fatalities on enemies. These animations grant temporary invincibility and restore some portion of health, depending on the monster type. Fatalities can be disabled by pressing R while holding fists, and with R can be enabled again. If fatalities are disabled, then monsters will be smashed.

Players with berserk can also grab smaller enemies like the zombieman or imp

Enemies also have fatality animations if they kill the player (or sometimes, other lesser enemies) with a melee attack.

There are dynamic fluids that flow and splash.

All weapons have remastered sprites and animations. For example, the shotgun's wooden furniture has been replaced by black synthetic.

All weapons have been re-balanced. For example, the rocket launcher deals much more impact damage but has a lower rate of fire and a smaller blast radius.

New extra weapons (such as the submachine gun, railgun, grenade launcher, etc.) can be optionally enabled or disabled.

Certain enemies, such as the baron of Hell, Hell knight, arachnotron and cyberdemon, have been made larger.

Some enemies can be taunted with laughter. They can also be offended by raising a middle finger and shouting, which alerts non-deaf monsters like a weapon would. This causes the cyberdemon in particular to react violently, whereafter it will attack more aggressively.

The blur artifact has been replaced with NPC marine allies. These marines start the level tied up, and can be freed with a melee attack or simply via the use key. The latest update reinstated the blur artifact, but they are randomly dropped by spectres instead.

Many weapons have been replaced, upgraded or added and have secondary fire modes that adds various combat functions:

Fists - Players can now deliver punches with both fists independently. Pressing the primary fire button will result in the player giving a quick punch with the right arm. Pressing the secondary fire button will result in a powerful right punch, which involuntarily moves the player a little forward. When the player does a left punch then a right punch consecutively, the next left punch will have immense power. There is also a random chance of doing an uppercut when doing regular punches. When the Demon Rune/Berserk pack is picked up, hitting the reload button will show the player cracking their knuckles, and a text message will appear. This changes the mode of the fists effects on enemies. "Smash Mode" delivers immense damage to the opponent, usually gibbing them. "Rip And Tear" makes the player perform fatalities on the enemy, from a third person view. This mode gives a small amount of health with each fatality.

Chainsaw - The chainsaw is more or less realistically accurate than its original counterpart, with the ability of actually chopping limbs from monsters. After damaging a monster, blood from the player's hands and the chainsaw will appear, it can only be 'cleaned off' by equipping another weapon. It also seems to be buffed, dealing much more damage and increased range. Alt-fire swings the chainsaw overhead of the player.

Pistol - The standard pistol remains in the mod, and its one of the starting weapons along with the assault rifle. It deals slightly more damage than its original counterpart and has a dramatic increase of its rate of fire as it is a semi-auto weapon. With alt-fire you can switch to burst fire, firing 3 rounds in a rapid succession. It can only hold 15 + 1 rounds and like its Doom 3 counterpart, it no longer uses the same ammo with the assault rifle, minigun or machine gun. But like the assault rifle, submachine gun and the plasma gun, it can be dual wielded as long as you find the another pistol within the map. While the pistol is formally introduced at version 0.21, the Shotgun guy uses pistol only during their 'last stand'. Zombieman do this too, but they can spawn wielding one, and if they do, they behave much closer to the vanilla counterparts than the ones wielding Assault rifle.

Sub-machinegun - The SMG from the Doom cover art is added from the game. And unlike the pistol, it fires at a staggering rate and carries a hefty 40 + 1 rounds inside the magazine at the time, however it deals damage that is almost the same as the pistol and is it less accurate than the Assault Rifle, it should be used for close range combat. But you can aim down the sights for an accuracy increase by pressing they alt-fire key. Along with the pistol, it uses small bullet rounds and can be dual wielded at the increase of firepower and at the cost of accuracy. It only makes its debut at version 0.21.

Shotgun - The shotgun does more damage than its original counterpart, but compensates for this by only holding nine shells at a time, and utilizes a one-at-a-time manual reloading system. The secondary attack causes the player to look down the sights, granting a limited sniping ability, along with a slightly faster rate of fire due to the use of slam firing technique.[?]

Super shotgun - Deals more damage than before and reloads quicker, though firing will cause a noticeable amount of recoil. Using the secondary attack will shoot just one barrel, which can be useful for taking down smaller enemies. You can switch weapons before needing to reload the Super shotgun.

Assault shotgun - An entirely new weapon added to the mod, a drum-fed automatic shotgun that has a firepower comparable to that of a super shotgun, but it chews through shotgun shells pretty quickly. It only has 20 shells inside the clip and using its secondary fire mode lets you aim down the sights. It only makes its debut at version 0.21.

Assault rifle - An assault rifle that can be one of the starting weapons, which, unlike the pistol, remains useful even late in the game, with increased accuracy and damage. It has a magazine capacity of 30 + 1 rounds. Using the secondary attack causes the player to look down the sights, making the rifle useful for sniping targets at a considerable distance with very high accuracy. Picking up another assault rifle enables them to be dual wielded, with high rate of fire but with poor accuracy. It also disables the player from using grenades. In tactical mode you can't dual wield Assault rifle.

Chaingun - Replaced with a minigun. It fires faster than the chaingun and is more accurate; however, there is a small delay before firing, caused by the spin-up time on the barrels. The secondary attack spins the barrels before attacking. This of course removes the delay before firing, and significantly increases the firing rate, at the cost of greatly reduced accuracy and very heavy recoil, making it very easy to shoot off-target.

Machine gun - A machine gun that does not use magazines, but it consumes its bullet ammo pool directly. It fires slower than the standard-issue assault rifle, but is more accurate. It has an under-barrel grenade launcher which can be fired using the secondary fire key, and it must be reloaded every shot. It only makes its debut at version 0.21. A HUD indicator has been added in v21 Gold, which shows if there isn't a grenade in the grenade launcher.

Rocket launcher - Has a "revolver style" firing chassis, forcing the player to reload after six shots. The pause between shots is greater, though the damage from the rockets has been increased. Using its secondary attack will let the player use the night vision 4x scope. Cacodemon can dodge the rocket.

Grenade launcher - A break-action grenade launcher from its Skulltag counterpart. It only fires one grenade before reloading. Alt-fire fires a grenade that bounces several times before exploding. It only makes its debut at version 0.21. Cacodemon can't dodge the grenade, unlike with the rockets from the rocker launcher

Plasma gun - More powerful, has a brief pause before firing and fires slightly slower due to needing to reload fuel cells every 50 shots. Plasma balls have a small splash radius, making firing at point-blank range ill-advised. Secondary attack fires a charged shot, releasing multiple plasma balls as a sort of "plasma shotgun" function. It takes longer to fire a charged shot than to fire as normal and uses 10 shots. Similar to the assault rifle, the plasma gun can be dual-wielded at the expense of accuracy, and during dual wielding you can't use the alt-fire.

Railgun - Functions very similarly to its Skulltag counterpart. Though like the plasma gun, it also has a small splash radius - which is very deadly even with armor on. It only fires 5 shots before reloading and uses 10 plasma-balls worth of cells when firing the weapon. Alt-fire uses the scope, same as the rocket launcher, along with the ability to see entities in a way clearly akin to a light amplification visor. It only makes its debut at version 0.21. Can pierce thin walls and enemies. Can one-shot cacodemon and hell knight

BFG9000 - Has a somewhat long charge pause before firing, though the attack is more focused and powerful as a result. Also has a significant amount of recoil.

BFG10000 - More or less similar to its Skulltag counterpart. Not much difference. It only makes its debut at version 0.21. Has a lot of recoil.

Mancubus flame cannon - Primary fire acts as a flamethrower, while secondary fire fires a fireball shot that ignites enemies upon impact. Can be obtained either by using the chainsaw's alternate fire on a mancubus corpse, or by killing a mancubus with an explosion.

Revenant missile launcher - The missiles lock-on targets. Obtained via the same methods as the mancubus flame cannon, but when used on revenants instead.

Unmaker - An Unmaker that is very different from its Doom 64 design, but somewhat similar to Tom Hall's Doom Bible design. It continuously fires a demonic, incendiary laser beam at a high recoil that must be controlled and it expends ammo very quickly too. It uses a different type of ammo that can only be obtained by killing zombiemen, shotgun guys and heavy weapon dudes, it only holds a maximum of 999. It only makes its debut at version 0.21.

Super flamethrower - A "proper" flamethrower weapon. It offers drastically increased power and range over the Mancubus' version, at the cost of faster rate of fuel consumption. This flamethrower can also leave more abundant fires around the environment, making it less suited for indoor combat due to the danger it poses to a careless user. As the final weapon added to the mod, the super flamethrower will make its debut at version 0.21.

MP 40 submachine gun - The Maschinenpistole 40 was used by German paratroopers during World War Two, hence it is the weapon dropped by Wolfenstein SS soldiers. It uses the same ammo as the pistol and minigun, and must be reloaded every 32 + 1 rounds. Can be dual-wielded.

MG 42 machine gun - Also known as Hitler's Buzzsaw, this new weapon alternates with the minigun in weapon slot 4. It likewise has a very high rate of fire, but uses a distinct type of ammo of which 600 shots are included at pick-up.

Hand grenades - These are a new weapon that occupies the very last weapon slot and which can be replenished via backpacks and ammo boxes, while single grenades are sometimes dropped by sergeants. They are essentially a throwable rocket launcher blast with a delayed detonation and are quite effective as crowd control weapons.

[Daikatan]

Zombieman - They either carry an assault rifle or a pistol. Fires its assault rifle in short bursts. Will reload when it finishes the magazine. Sometimes goes into a "last stand" when mortally wounded, drawing a pistol and firing at the player until finished off. As of v0.21 beta, has new wakeup sounds.

Shotgun guy - Shotgun fires more pellets (8), but each pellet does less damage (3). Has the ability to roll like the zombieman. It will reload its shotgun when its shells are finished. May also go into a "last stand". As of v0.21 beta, has new wakeup sounds and has a chance of spawning with an SMG instead.

Heavy weapon dude - Uses the new minigun, and is subject to the strengths and weaknesses of the minigun.

Imp - Fireball now travels much faster than before. The imp also comes with a pounce attack, similar to Doom 3's imp.

Demon - Largely unchanged. Can survive losing a front limb (the monster goes into a pain state and continues attacking shortly after with increased movement speed). As of v0.21 beta, can perform a lunge attack, countering attempts to bait it into biting and backing off.

Spectre - When moving or idle, the spectre will remain completely invisible, save for the eyes. It has a translucent appearance while attacking. If it is severely damaged without dying, it may lose invisibility and continue attacking.

Cacodemon - Can dodge sideways at high speed to avoid rockets, and can even shoot fireballs while dodging. Has a proper melee animation.

Lost soul - Drifts around a lot more quickly when not charging. When the Demon Rune/Berserk pack is used, the player can grab lost souls in midair and throw them. This kills the lost soul upon impact with an explosion.

Pain elemental - Mostly unchanged. Produces some splash damage upon death.

Revenant - Normal and homing rockets differentiated (normal ones are orange, homing ones are red). Crawls around on its upper body and only fires homing rockets if legs are destroyed first. Always "salvo-fires" normal rockets in groups of four after a short wind-up. Has a "fatality attack" if it finishes an imp, shotgun guy or zombieman off with a melee attack - it will grab the monster, smash it around a few times and throw the monster's corpse at the player. If this hits the player, it deals extremely high damage.

Mancubus - Fireballs leave damaging flames where they explode. Will get knocked down if hit by certain attacks (such as a full super shotgun blast or direct hit from a rocket). It can be angered by using the "offend" feature, which will increase the speed of the fireballs. As of v0.21 beta, it is also able of switching its flame cannons to fire highly damaging bursts of flame when enemy is at close range (akin to the player-usable flame cannon's primary fire). Also appears in DOOM 1 Episode 3 in form of ancient mancubus.

Baron of Hell - Has a new attack where the baron of Hell uses both its hands to charge up, then fires three balls of plasma at the player. It can also pick up barrels and throw them at the player for serious damage, but the barrel can be blown up while the baron of Hell is preparing to throw it. Can also be kicked in the nuts.

Hell knight - Mostly unchanged. Similar to the baron of Hell. Sometimes throws three plasma balls in rapid succession. Also can be kicked in the nuts.

Arch-vile - Mostly unchanged. Has a higher pain chance and lower attack speed. Its sprite now has horns. As of v0.21 beta, can resurrect pain elementals. Also can turn friendly marines into hostile ones.

Arachnotron - Mostly unchanged. Also uses the new plasma gun. Also appears in DOOM 1 Episode 3 in form of ancient arachnotron.

Cyberdemon - Has a new stomp attack, which instantly kills the player and demons. Rockets now have a little spread. Can be angered by using the "offend" feature, which causes the cyberdemon to fire five to six rockets consecutively at a higher fire rate instead of the normal three to four. If killed from a headshot will have an different death sprite whereas it appears to have been decapitated. Now produces a explosion on death, but the player is immune to it.

Spider mastermind - Uses an enhanced version of the minigun firing explosive rounds, which means it has to deal with spin-up time. Players can also walk under the spider mastermind's legs. Notably, this super-minigun is no longer a hitscan attack, but fires (very fast) projectiles. As a result, two spider masterminds can no longer infight with each other, which can make things significantly harder in certain maps (e.g. MAP22: The Escape) where causing such infighting is expected.

Wolfenstein SS - Replaced with a grey uniform version and its design matches more on the Zombieman instead of the original sprite. They have realistically added the ability to dodge attacks as well as attacking while moving at the same time.

Evil Marine - A marine that was converted by an arch-vile into turning against the player. They're much more dangerous than the Wolfenstein SS as they dodge attacks more frequently. They also have an ability to jump and shoot at the player at the same time. They only spawn when an Arch-Vile 'kills' a captured marine, turning them into an evil marine. They either carry Assault Rifles or Plasma Rifles.

Icon of Sin - Unchanged in the base modification. The starter pack and its map enhanced MAP30, however, replaces it with a more complex enemy known as the "Real Icon of Sin."

TL;DR brutal doom is not "just gore and fatalities" as some believe.

It's some sort of ARRANGE mode for Doom, which of course not canon and not everyone would love.

[Daikatan]

Chocolate or PRBoom+.

Why them and not just (g)zdoom where disable mouselook and jump if you want without them, though? Curious

[Tsuki Zero]

引用自 Daikatan：

Chocolate or PRBoom+.

Why them and not just (g)zdoom where disable mouselook and jump if you want without them, though? Curious

Fidelity, of course. Those looking for the most vanilla experience will prefer those.

[Daikatan]

引用自 Tsukiyomaru Zero：

Fidelity, of course. Those looking for the most vanilla experience will prefer those.

MS-DOS + CRT + Roland MT-32?

[1337Walrus]

引用自 Daikatan：

Chocolate or PRBoom+.

Why them and not just (g)zdoom where disable mouselook and jump if you want without them, though? Curious

GZDoom doesn't run Doom's source code at all. Even if you set compatibility to "vanilla (strict)" things are still quite different, especially in the physics department.

GZDoom is still a perfectly fine port, mind, I just use it for mods personally instead of 'normal' gameplay.

[Something Hank]

引用自 1337Walrus：

引用自 Daikatan：

Why them and not just (g)zdoom where disable mouselook and jump if you want without them, though? Curious

GZDoom doesn't run Doom's source code at all. Even if you set compatibility to "vanilla (strict)" things are still quite different, especially in the physics department.

GZDoom is still a perfectly fine port, mind, I just use it for mods personally instead of 'normal' gameplay.

How heavily would that affect someone that sets it too Doom (Strict) to beat something on Ultra-Violence? Would you say they still beat it, or are the differences drastic enough to not count?