mega lands gap

[Maghoul]

i currently have the gaudy set and am using the beanie instead of the helmet i have the cube, generic paper weight and the cursed ring equiped as my accessories for stats my power and toughness advanced training is at level 325 for 101.1% extra stats my adventure digger is level 8 for 114.74% boost to my adventure stats and currently that puts my power at 60953 and toughness to 35459 but i need like 125000 power and 60000 toughness to manually do the megalands so what am i missing to get like double my stats again

[Fel]

Mega land (well, technically a bit after that) is where the fast track for new players ends for the most part.
What this means is that from that point onwayrd you will need some time to grind between zones and you will need to make sure you didn't miss any source of adventure stats (outside of spending exp into it, this is not worth doing until you are close to the end of this game, in the third difficulty).
This means fully levelling and boosting items if that wasn't already done as well of course.

One of such sources at that specific point is the basic challenge, fully clearing it if it wasn't done already should give you a noticeable boost.

[Maghoul]

Originally posted by Fel:

Mega land (well, technically a bit after that) is where the fast track for new players ends for the most part.
What this means is that from that point onwayrd you will need some time to grind between zones and you will need to make sure you didn't miss any source of adventure stats (outside of spending exp into it, this is not worth doing until you are close to the end of this game, in the third difficulty).
This means fully levelling and boosting items if that wasn't already done as well of course.

One of such sources at that specific point is the basic challenge, fully clearing it if it wasn't done already should give you a noticeable boost.

got it i just need to max out the gaudy set then boost it to max then i am good to go im just about done maxing the clock dimension set then i will max out every set after that including the titan set which im close to gordon ramseys set being complete i have the basic challenge completely done so i suppose this means all i need to do is just max the sets boost them out then i can move on

[InvalidError]

If you think the gaps between later normal realms are painful, which I also thought they were when I first got there, wait until you see mid-Evil realms!

I had originally meant to rebirth weeks ago after getting the GMv1 set but after unlocking wishes, I got stuck in that "just one more" loop while I have beta potions up and now I'm at the point where I may just keep going until I can auto-battle the next zone. I'll give up on that idea if I reach Fib #377 (at #244 now) and manage to buy two more accessory slots first, then I'll be all set for an Evil challenges marathon.

You have reached the transition from babysitting the game to keep up with the rate at which you get new things to do and continuously having to mind your inventory overflowing to just having to remember to check in two or three times per day for housekeeping until there either is something new to do or objectives are reached.

[Fel]

You really want to do daily rebirths starting from a bit after UUG (usually the next titan or so), with exceptions on times where you just need a bit more push from advanced training to get the stats for a major step forward (new zone, new titan, new titan version), and even then it should rarely go beyond a week.

At the start it's for beards, then rank 24 fruits get added to that (reinforced by "first harvest's the best" bonus that greatly boosts the first harvest of each fruit for each rebirth).
There is also the money pit that doesn't really benefits from longer rebirths.

Not rebirthing just hurts your overall progression quite a bit, especially mid evil where your fruits should mostly be at rank 24 already.

[Maghoul]

Originally posted by Fel:

You really want to do daily rebirths starting from a bit after UUG (usually the next titan or so), with exceptions on times where you just need a bit more push from advanced training to get the stats for a major step forward (new zone, new titan, new titan version), and even then it should rarely go beyond a week.

At the start it's for beards, then rank 24 fruits get added to that (reinforced by "first harvest's the best" bonus that greatly boosts the first harvest of each fruit for each rebirth).
There is also the money pit that doesn't really benefits from longer rebirths.

Not rebirthing just hurts your overall progression quite a bit, especially mid evil where your fruits should mostly be at rank 24 already.

what i've been doing is rebirthing until i hit the latest zone i need to farm next which right now with my gaudy set my next set is the mega lands set so i beat boss 100 and i haven't gone any further i've completed every basic and augment challenge so besides other challenges all i can do to progress is maxxing my sets and boosting my gear which might help me get to the power and toughness i need to beat the megalands then before trying the first UUG completion i think i will max out the mega lands set then go for UUG

[Fel]

Sorry, the message was meant for InvalidError.

For you since you haven't unlocked beards your "ideal" rebirth timing is most likely based on the highest rank fruit you have, to let it fully grow before eating/harvesting it.
At that point in the game the cap would be 10 unless you went for the troll challenge's rewards, so about two rebirths a day would be normal if you are in front of the computer frequently enough.

[Maghoul]

Originally posted by Fel:

Sorry, the message was meant for InvalidError.

For you since you haven't unlocked beards your "ideal" rebirth timing is most likely based on the highest rank fruit you have, to let it fully grow before eating/harvesting it.
At that point in the game the cap would be 10 unless you went for the troll challenge's rewards, so about two rebirths a day would be normal if you are in front of the computer frequently enough.

i think you misunderstand i have the megalands unlocked like just barely but i only have half the power and toughness i need to manually beat the bosses for mega gear im sitting at ~64500 power and ~37300 toughness which isnt enough to beat the megalands bosses

[Fel]

Unlocking zones is rarely the issue in the first place, more often than not you will even unlock an extra zone or two beyond the one you need to get next.

Since you are still a bit far from the stats you would need, you don't need to be worrying about that zone just yet.

Maxing out (levelling plus boosting) the gaudy set should be your priority, which means grinding the gaudy set's drops first then probably farming a much earlier zone where you can one-shot enemies for a much faster rate of boost items.

None of that should go against rebirthing relatively frequently either.

[Maghoul]

Originally posted by Fel:

Unlocking zones is rarely the issue in the first place, more often than not you will even unlock an extra zone or two beyond the one you need to get next.

Since you are still a bit far from the stats you would need, you don't need to be worrying about that zone just yet.

Maxing out (levelling plus boosting) the gaudy set should be your priority, which means grinding the gaudy set's drops first then probably farming a much earlier zone where you can one-shot enemies for a much faster rate of boost items.

None of that should go against rebirthing relatively frequently either.

i dont need to rebirth i should just farm the previous zones for maxing gear and boosting gear stats

[Fel]

You are giving up on the money pit rewards, as well as the exp from defeating bosses (even if that should no longer be your primary source).
You probably already reduced all basic training caps to 1 as well, further reducing what rebirths can give you at that stage.

But that's definitely up to you, if you prefer not to rebirth there is nothing we can do to change that.

[InvalidError]

Originally posted by Fel:

Not rebirthing just hurts your overall progression quite a bit, especially mid evil where your fruits should mostly be at rank 24 already.

Sure, and that is what I would normally do if I didn't have a set of beta potions from daily spin running. Only missing a beta magic to complete another set, haven't had any luck with daily spin on that yet.

This rebirth was never meant to be quick: it started as my "final push" to complete Evil LS-I from having a ~30 days completion timer on it. Stretch goals have just been piling up. At first it was completing the nerd set while pumping hacks, which landed me in the next zone. By the time I completed that zone's set, I could do GMv1 and completed that set along with most wishes that looked absolutely essential to me. I still have plenty of juicy early-tier wishes to mop up while I still have beta potions up and may be able to auto-battle Typ by the time I'm done with them.

At roughly one completed zone per month, I'm not feeling much of a "great progression sacrifice" at the moment. The really painful bit this far in will be when I lose the beta potions by rebirthing and banked levels when I decide to do something other than LS challenges. I need to do a couple of those while I turn my banked beard levels into permanent ones. To make that less painful when I already have one toe in Typ, I need to get the Typ set first if I can, which I should if I pumped Adv-I boosts I haven't maxed out yet for 3-4 days. There goes another two weeks getting all of the useful pieces to 70+ to make them worth using.

Once I'm done with that, next will be a breezy challenge marathon to collect a whole bunch of juicy boosts so I won't feel like I regressed by 30+ days by rebirthing.

[InvalidError]

Originally posted by Maghoul:

i think you misunderstand i have the megalands unlocked like just barely but i only have half the power and toughness i need to manually beat the bosses for mega gear im sitting at ~64500 power and ~37300 toughness which isnt enough to beat the megalands bosses

Don't worry about struggling with next-zone mobs until you have completed the previous zone's set. Most sets also carry a set bonus that give you a permanent benefit, you'll want to complete all sets sooner or later, may as well be sooner while it is too early for you to hit the next zone. I wouldn't bother struggling into a new zone for any reason other than bumping my time machine base gold as the drop rates later on are far too low for sniping gear to be practical and new gear is rarely worth using until upgraded to 50+.

When you are in-between zones, remember to go say hello to pissed-off dudes. Lots of handy upgrades in there that will help you get to the next zone or titan. Though POD progress can feel atrociously slow early on.

[Enoa]

First of all, Maghoul, listen to Fel, on this entire forum, he gives good advices.


Next, InvalidError :

Mate, when I read what you wrote, I can understand that you play in order to be efficient. If you would just chill out, then ok. But I can see that you are playing by thinking what could be the best to do. Then mate, you don't understand the game if you play like that. Without any offense, you are making big mistakes.

Originally posted by InvalidError:

Sure, and that is what I would normally do if I didn't have a set of beta potions from daily spin running.

Those potions just double EM3 power... Just double... It is not extraordinary...
While you lost every single day 50% Exp, 50% Fruit of adventure, 50% pomegrate & watermelon, 50% everything.
In which world double your EM3 power is better than that every single day ???
The 50% Exp you get everyday would probably give you so much since the start of your rebirth. You are actually "doubling" the poor amount of EM3 you have. Since it should be way higher with all the Exp that you missed in this 30 days rebirth.

And what about bears ? mcguffins ?

Originally posted by InvalidError:

This rebirth was never meant to be quick: it started as my "final push" to complete Evil LS-I from having a ~30 days completion timer on it.

But why would you lost your time with LS challenge since it gives you nothing in Evil ?? Nothing ! No AP, No Exp.
Well, some millions Exp, but you can have this amount in Evil in 30 minutes or so.
Just forget about LS atm.
Personally, I just finished the 20th LS by clicking on "Challenge LS" instead of clicking on "rebirth" every day. It took me 20 days, so 20 rebirth, and each day, it took me around 40 second to do the challenge (When I put the energy on Augments it took litteraly less than 1 minute, but this, after getting my E from Bars every rebirth in 10 minutes or so). I'm at Exilev1 atm. I just wanted to wait enough to not bother with LS since it gives you nothing.

Originally posted by InvalidError:

while pumping hacks, which landed me in the next zone. By the time I completed that zone's set, I could do GMv1 and completed that set along with most wishes that looked absolutely essential to me. I still have plenty of juicy early-tier wishes to mop up while I still have beta potions up and may be able to auto-battle Typ by the time I'm done with them.

Idem.
More Exp = more EM3 = faster hacks & wishes. And add to that other Yggdrasil + mcguffins & beards, stronger every rebirth.

Originally posted by InvalidError:

At roughly one completed zone per month, I'm not feeling much of a "great progression sacrifice" at the moment.

That's why you continue to do it, you don't see what you are doing wrong, even if some people told you already on others posts.

And about what you said earlier :

Originally posted by InvalidError:

I had originally meant to rebirth weeks ago after getting the GMv1 set but after unlocking wishes, I got stuck in that "just one more" loop while I have beta potions up and now I'm at the point where I may just keep going until I can auto-battle the next zone. I'll give up on that idea if I reach Fib #377 (at #244 now) and manage to buy two more accessory slots first, then I'll be all set for an Evil challenges marathon.

Why would you waste PP for 377% A/D multiplier ? Do you really need to go further bosses ?
Well you want to do some challenges, but there are a lot of perks which give you better progression than this 377 fibonacci. The 233 is really good since QP are important, so I understand why you get this one. But not the 377 one.

Sorry for my bad english, and I hope I don't sound offensive.
Obviously, play the way you want, but if you really want to be at least a little bit efficient, you have to do some changes.

[InvalidError]

Originally posted by Enoa:

Those potions just double EM3 power... Just double... It is not extraordinary...
While you lost every single day 50% Exp, 50% Fruit of adventure, 50% pomegrate & watermelon, 50% everything.

50% Exp is only a few million XPs, which is a drop in the bucket next to the billions of XP already spent, same for most other stuff.

Double the EMR3 for pumping wishes that give 5% to EMR3 is 5% more to all EMR3 past, present and future, and I can knock out the first 5-6 tiers of each in two days. That is the prize I'm currently after. Faster Basic Training will be priceless for Evil Trolls, couldn't pass on that. I'll probably give the nerd a few showers too... should probably have done that earlier on, I'll make it next on my list.

Originally posted by Enoa:

But why would you lost your time with LS challenge since it gives you nothing in Evil ??

Because I'm sitting on ~90M temp beard levels in bank and LS is the only challenge that doesn't reset banked levels so I can turn some of them into permanent ones.

If you meant to ask why I started with LS, that is simply because I didn't really have the stats to touch anything else after completing the basic challenges anyway. I picked LS-I, did a few rebirths into it to get NUMBER up a bit while waiting for ETA to become less than "a very long time", popped the potions with the intent of keeping the rebirth going until I was ready for a pre-Troll challenge marathon and here I am.

Originally posted by Enoa:

Why would you waste PP for 377% A/D multiplier ? Do you really need to go further bosses ?

In two words: Evil Troll.

Anything I can get that can spare me one minute on those is worth getting. Also, I'm mostly done buying PP stuff cheaper than 100k to max out.

Practically everything I'm doing now is about picking up everything I can reasonably get to deal with Evil Trolls after knocking out every other challenge I reasonably can.

[Enoa]

Well, I'm still disagree.

Just one example :
For troll challenges, the 50% fruit of power B + 50% fruit of power delta + 50% fruit of numbers you could have, is way more impactful than a 377 fibonacci.

You are just going tunnel vision for some stuff in the game, and forget about the others.
But ok.