Blind challenge

[Halfshell]

"Are you even rebirthing to a higher or lower number? Better hope you can remember!"

Getting around to challenges after the buff but something doesn't look quite right here.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1974026099

https://imgur.com/a/n7uhYuj

[lordatog]

Apparently it gets blinder and blinder the more of them you complete. That screen will be looking very different after a few challenges.

[Halfshell]

Hmm, not sure I'd want to get to boss 148 just for a Daycare slot even if it wasn't blind. Especially with needing 9 resets for just that.. I guess once you've already stacked -daycare% time it would be worthwhile to invest the runs into it.

[Fel]

That's because you haven't advanced enough in the game, 148 becomes quite easy to reach when you have the chocolate set and I can assure you that you want as many daycare slots as you can, between the pendant and looty that are pretty much permanent residents, ultra rare drops, drops from a very low drop chance zone, hearts and even macguffins later on.

[Halfshell]

If it was just reaching boss 148 blind once I would do it for the Daycare slot. But doing 9 resets is much too tedious for my tastes. Pretty much only worth doing it once every other challenge is done anyway. Getting to 148 is close to half a week of active play where I'm at, 9 resets would turn that into a month.. Edit: Guess it seems strange to me that the Blind challenge is more about reaching a high boss many times than the blind part itself.

[Fel]

The blind part only becomes a problem when you are reaching the limits of what your stats can buldoze, so the last few runs of the challenge can be tricky if you don't have high enough stats because you end up not having access to informations and not having a clue of how close (or far) you are from finishing it.

[Halfshell]

Not with how I play. I tend to take a very "hands off" approach to the game. So I more or less do the same things everytime and only tune things when I have a goal in mind.

[Elenoe]

on the other hand you never do blind challenge alone, it's always combined with others, 24h at least, so you always have pretty good idea how long it takes and how to get there, even blinded.

9 rebirths doesn't sound that bad. But half a week is atrocious. The longest challenge I've ever done took 2h and that was well over the limit I put to myself :)

[Halfshell]

You can combine challenges? Never realized that was possible...

Edit: Also half a week would just be checking in twice a day. It would likely be done faster if I was playing more hands on. Don't usually keep track of how long it takes for higher boss numbers as theres typically little reason to go above boss 100 or so. I can reach boss 100 in maybe 2-3 hours of hands on play. So 148 is slightly further than I would want to be going.

[DoonDoon]

I think "combine" as in doing them one right after another, so that you attempt those challenges with the same power level. This is actually what I did this weekend. I did a 24-hour to gauge how powerful I am, and then decide how far I go with blind.

Speaking of which, I devoted this weekend to challenges and completed (not in this order):

24-hour #5
Troll #5
No rebirth #7 - #10 (#8 and #10 done using sleep time)
Laser Sword #9 - #20 (in a 7-hour marathon!)
Blind #2 - #10 (in a 7-hour marathon!)
NGU #1 - #6
TM #3

I am at 4B energy and got the Slime set.

That is a good weekend.

[Halfshell]

So thats a hard "No" on me finishing Blinds, still around 40-50 Mil energy. I'm mostly going for the first completion bonuses and was surprised the 1st Blind was kind of trivial with how much information it gives. I'll probably work on Laser Sword next.

[Fel]

The laser sword challenge does not reset your number so you don't really need to do anything specific as long as you have strong enough energy stats to build them in a few minutes.
Do note that it requires higher augment and upgrade levels each time so the god and time can go up quite a bit.
It is trivial if you do them late enough but if you are not earning enough gold and/or have a somewhat weak energy it can be a problem.

[Halfshell]

Got around to playing more and can now finish up the last Blind challenge within 2 hrs. Thoughts:

• Gold GPS from Diggers should be hidden.
  
• Blood Number should be hidden as well as Blood gained and GPS drained so you cannot use it to determine your gold.
  
• What area you in Adventure should be hidden, including drop text and current fight.
  
• Advanced Training should not display numbers.
  
• Equipment effectiveness should not display current boss by "X out of 100".
  
• Fruit timer, current Rebirth timer and Adventure boss timer should be hidden.

Currently the 10th challenge of Blind gives enough information to make it trivial. Everything can be seen somewhere as long as you can figure out where to look. I'd much rather it be far blinder and take less challenges to complete, make the blindness be the challenge, not doing 10 rebirths be the challenge imho.

[Huillam]

If ten rebirths take too much time for you then wait until you can complete it in three (or even two) minutes.

[Halfshell]

I just did 10 rebirths for it. Thats not the point I am making. I am giving feedback that its not a "blind" challenge because its not blind. Its just a 'do 10 rebirths with each rebirth increasing boss target by 10' challenge. Imho it should either be rebalanced to actually be blind with less rebirths required, or the blind part should be moved to a proper blind challenge instead of this one pretending to be a blind challenge.

[Elenoe]

in blind challenge you need to know the order and connection of features and click the right plusses in the right order/timing. That's it. It's not supposed to be "super challenging" or "hard to do". No challenge is "hard". You just follow a bit different pattern then what you are used to.

To tell the truth, what makes blind challenge an easy and relaxing experience are not things you mentioned but the fact you can do it after few 24h runs. Basically getting acustomed to everything. It would be much more challenging if I started with blind after months of daily rebirths.

Half of things you are suggesting makes the execution problematic. You still need to set those features. For example how would you set the adventure zone without a dropdown (or empty one that is if obfuscating open zones is your point)?

You still need some guidance to execute your learned pattern. Like rebirth time (same goes for your EM timers btw). You can't really take that out. The only result would be using outside chronometr, that would add nothing to the challenge it would be just more annoying.