stuck at UGG

[Crenshaw]

Hi,

i can beat UGG idle
i have 1,48+006 Power and 1,08+006 Tough, after AT (1000 each) and with adv. digger, ...
what the best way to raise it to beat the beardverse, grinding ngu-lvls? raise digger? or buy power and toughness?

thx

[Fel]

Those are stats that are far above what is strictly required to defeat him (in face you are above auto-kill stats and you could even start to manually grind the next zone).
(assuming "+006" means "E+006" or million of course)

Did you get your ring of apathy?
All titans have their own special thing, UUG powers up each turn with a big multiplier if you don't have a high level (preferably level 100) ring of apathy equipped.

EDIT: Also, never spend exp on adventure stats, at least not before reaching evil difficulty, preferably even godmother (second titan in evil difficulty).
Starting from the beast you can in theory start spending a bit of exp in adventure stats but it should be left for when you are stuck because you get better returns from increasing your energy and magic stats.

[Elenoe]

ngu + beards (BEARd at least if not more) is your goal now, 24h rebirths. Get your bars to 1-2x power at this stage.

[Crenshaw]

thx for the help
i have base energy power of 151 and bars are 200, so i should raise the bars to 300?

[Elenoe]

TLDR;
I wouldn't. 1:1 works well for the balance between features. Just don't let it go below power.

Longer version:

There is no perfect ratio. You are balancing between different features. You take from NGU, you add to Beards and Wandoos.. etc. Once in a while some feature gets capped so you change the ratio accordingly.

I personally use 1.5 : 37.5k : 1.5 which maximizes the NGU * BEARd progress (not gain) which are my main concerns since UUG.

You may want to temporarily raise bars for troll challenge when you do bunch of them etc. Or establish your own ratio that favors one feature over the others.

And more bars will moderatelly help you short term for a slight long term price. If it's worth I do not know :)

[Crenshaw]

hm, ok, at the moment i am at 151 power 15.000.000 cap and 200 bars, all base, so i must raise power and bars, or should i use the real numbers?

thx

[feliscon]

I use 2:100000:5 ratio for magic and keep energy at 3x magic.

[Fel]

I use 1:35.7k:1.875 and energy 2 times magic but it's mostly because I like having my energy and magic cap ready as soon as possible.
What is particularly good about this ratio is that it allows you to activate your fruits more easily and your beards are as good as they can get without letting your other feature fall behind much (there is a reason why it's the ratio the game tries to show you with the exp costs after all).

When you auto-activate all of your fruits and your beards are at max speed for the whole day it is usual to lower the ratio for bars.

There are a lot of ratios, each will have their pros and cons, there won't be one that is "best for everything".

[Elenoe]

Publicado originalmente por Crenshaw:

so i must raise power and bars, or should i use the real numbers?

always base (everything here is multiplicative so it's the gain/resource what matters; resource = xp here, but works the same for power/cap/bars you buy for PP, QP as well).

And yes, I would lower the cap. You will get more by purchasing power and bars now.

And as an example of how the change of ratio affects features:

from 150 : 15M : 200 to 1.5 : 37.5k : 1.5 

NGU, Augs    ... 99%
Beards       ... 211%
Adv.training ... 70%
Wandoos      ... 50%

from 150 : 15M : 200 to 1 : 37.5k : 1.875

NGU, Augs    ... 80%
Beards       ... 248%
Adv.training ... 66%
Wandoos      ... 55%

from 1 : 37.5k : 1.875 to 1.5 : 37.5k : 1.5
NGU, Augs    ... 124%
Beards       ... 85%
Adv.training ... 106%
Wandoos      ... 91%

It's always trade-off and the best you could do about it (after reading a lot of topics with many different ratios being considered "the best" :/ ) is to make the comparison on your own and adapt it based on what you need, what is capped, how long you spend in features, what you plan and how you play...

That's the good thing on this game. The room for personal strategies.

[Crenshaw]

ok, thx Fel and Elenoe, many information, ithink i will go for the 1:37,5k:1,5 because at the moment i push ngu and beards and then if i can idle beardverse without problems, what are the next goal

[Fel]

The short term goals would be getting 1000 to all of the permanent level on beards but it is going to take you a while (especially with only 1 or 2 beard slots), the longer term is just continuing to progress futher and further.

By the time you get walderp's set you should be more than ready to fully clear most challenges, the only exceptions would be the 24h challenge (the later ones ask for a really high boss so you will want to only do those you can feasibly achieve for now) and perhaps the last of the no time machine challenge (it increases by 15 for the target boss with each clear so it will ask you to get quite far to be able to power through them without a steady gold income from the time machine) and the last no NGU (it increases less but not having bonuses from NGUs makes it a lot harder unless you have attack/defense bonuses from various sources to compensate).

One of the really important rewards would be from the third clear of the troll challenge to unlock the ability to upgrade your fruits up to rank 24.
Fully grown fruits at that rank give significant bonuses, including the fruit of wisdom that becomes a major source of exp at that rank and will allow you to get significantly more energy and magic, increasing your progression speed by quite a bit as a result of getting more from all features.

[Crenshaw]

i dave a new question, i can idle beardverse now, but it only drops gold, is this normal? after some hours no items

edit: after drop digger, some items are dropped, but very slow

[Fel]

Do you mean no items in your inventory or nothing about items in the adventure log?

Either way let's get all of the relevant informations out so you can figure it out.
First, when you are in the beardverse zone, mouse over the bar at the top that tells you the zone's name (along with a pun in parenthesis), it will tell you your current drop chances.
For beardverse it will tell you your boosts drop chance and your boss drop chance, including all of the bonuses you currently have.
If the numbers are green it means you reached the cap for that zone (in this case 25% for boosts and 100% for boss drops).

If those numbers are very low it is completely possible to kill hundreds of enemies and not get drops.


But if the items show up in the adventure log and not the inventory, you will want to go to the settings and double check your item filter (even if you got the AP one that works from the item list, but if you have that one as well check it too).
It is pretty common to forget about the item filter when you spent a lot of time on a titan after all, especially since UUG doesn't have gear drops so the filter could still be from how you set it in mega land.

[Crenshaw]

now some drops, with digger the droprates are 2,22% and 6,36% so it will need a lot time for complete the set
thx

[Elenoe]

it's partly a drop chance (it will only get even lower) and partly you are killing them too slow. If you go to zone with the bare idle minimum it takes 20s to kill. At Beardverse it was not that issue as ITOPOD still sucks a bit and drop chance is not that low.

But soon enough it's worth waiting a bit and get stronger before farming new zone. You will get more drop chance and you cut kill time to at least half. The PP cost (for unreasonable long farming) will eventually be quite high. And pushing one area (gear) won't get you much further since you will wait for others (beards/NGU/...) anyway.

[Crenshaw]

by magic are the same ratio or others? magic is more expensive then energy...