Walderp is more annoying than the Troll Challenge.

[grommile]

I mean, that's not strictly saying much, since the Troll Challenge barely made a blip on the annoyance radar, but still.

It seems really weird that a challenge mode deliberately designed to be annoying is less annoying than a critical-path element of the game's progression.

[feliscon]

I think I agree with this, but then I also found the Blind challenge more stressful than the Troll challenge so far having completed one of each.

[Elenoe]

blind and troll are the best. So far I haven't seen anything like it elsewhere :)

But I also consider Walderp fun. It doesn't take long of doing him manual. Failing doesn't mean any loss. And he (same as troll and blind) is predictable so it's hard to fail if you focus a bit.

(And to be on topic... so far I only dislike the guess game around titans unlocking, I pretty much prefer "logical" puzzles, but we have wiki, so no harm done :) )

[feliscon]

I had no problem with actually fighting him, it was just finding him in the menus that was annoying.

[grommile]

Originally posted by Elenoe:

But I also consider Walderp fun. It doesn't take long of doing him manual.

I'm willing to admit to him being fun once.

Unfortunately, his gear has a 0.5% base drop rate, his respawn timer is long enough to be annoying, and (as usual) you can't really afford to swap in any of his gear until you have all of it due to changes in allocation of auxiliary stats.

[feliscon]

By the time I'd beaten his final form I already had the stats to autokill him, so I never ran into that problem...

[JoeDeCurso]

I agree and i am glad, that i'm not alone with this.
The Troll - Challenge is optional but Walderp isn't in order to progress. Since i'm no American, i didn't even know the rules before reading the guide here on Steam. I am somewhat aware, through american TV - Shows, that a kidsgame called "Simon says" exists, but i never knew the actual rules, because we don't have that here. That makes it a bit extra annoying (for me).
I wasn't sure if i should post about it, because i really appreciate the creative effort of that feature. It is what makes NGU stand out. But this one really isn't as enjoyable for me and others. Blocked progress is a bit frustrating.
Since there are no suggestions so far, i personally wouldn't mind to "buy" myself out of it (the fluff, not the Titan itself) for a reasonable amount of AP or EXP. It wouldn't be the first "I'm too lazy for this .... - perk", so it should work for everyone?

[lordatog]

The Troll challenge really isn't optional. It doesn't lock your progress at any specific point, true, and you can limp on without it for a while - but you really need to complete it sooner or later. The rewards are too important. However, I guess it would make sense if you removed the part of Walderp's autokill requirement that says you have to beat him three times first. You can definitely reach autokill stats without beating him first, and if you are that strong, you should be able to beat up on his first four forms too quickly for his minigame to matter.

[Fel]

It is still half optionnal, not in the sense that you can skip doing it but in the sense that you can wait until you have much higher stats and wreak it with your various bonuses.

Since trolls in the last one come out every 75 seconds and every 5th troll is a big one you get a big troll every 6 minutes 15 seconds, meaning that you need to wait for the big troll every other rebirth but if you do it properly big trolls barely impact your progress.


The whole "simon says" is a bit different depending on your country of origin but it is a kid's game that should exist in many countries in one form or another since the core of it is about teaching how phrases are formed and how just changing a very small part of it changes the meaning entirely.
Of course since it's a game most kids won't think about that but you learn to listen attentively to what the other person says since you don't want to lose.

[archmag]

I didn't find it annoying at all. I am not american, but luckily I was already familiar with this mini-game from GW2's "Mad king says" event on Halloween where you needed to use certain emotes when Mad king asks you to do them and says "Mad king says" otherwise you do nothing.

You certainly does not want to try Walderp while you care about your HP and have to switch to healing and blocking sometimes. It is much easier when you can just focus on attack or wait for his phrase. You start a challenge, wait till his first phrase, do as he says or not do it, then unleash all attack skills on him - 1 ultimate, 2 strong and 2 pierce, several basic attacks. After ultimate comes off cooldown you stop attacking and wait for the next phrase. He uses his phrase in fixed periods so unless you are in a hurry and still attacking or healing/blocking you shouldn't have a problem with it and all your skills will be off cooldown.

And searching does not seem like a huge problem for me personally - I just went through all menues twice for each kill, that's all. Somehow he didn't appear in them on the first time.

Troll's challenge on the first run was much more annoying. Still was enjoyable at the end when I finally managed to finish it.