Newer Player Guidance

[Gutter]

Hey all im newer to this game and using it to kill some spare time here and there. enjoying it quite a bit.
But I am finding progression slow and i would like to stop wasting time and energy in the game it feels.
Here is where im at
1mil energy and 30k magic. 39 energy power and 38 energy bars. 3 magic power.
ive killed ramsey a bunch and i spend most of my time just in the ITOPOD. got about 2600 toughness and power. so at lvl 30 of the ITOPOD. i do rebirths whenever my number is at minimum like 30X larger. but those are taking about 24 hours now to do which seems very slow for this stage in the game. I have done the basic challenge all 5 times but no other challenges. i dont have beards or anything like that yet and i would like to get there asap. What do i do LOL> boss progress i have killed lvl 78

[Hypertext Eye]

Originally posted by Fel:

The whole long rebirth thing comes from a time much closer to the initial release of the game, where you had access to significantly less features and gear was less potent (even the sky zone was already a wall because of its lack of set in drops compared to now where it's a bonus zone at best).
It was still not required at the time but used sparingly at specific points would allow you to use a 2-7 days rebirth and cut about the same amount of time for getting the next zone's gear.

Pretty much this. I played for a bit in early 2018. Titan 4 was end game, didn't have a feature yet, titan 3 didn't have a feature, ITOPOD didn't exist, no auto activate for titan 2's feature, no troll challenge, other challenges required a lot of completions, etc. Everyone was recommending long rebirths before titans (long meaning a few days, NOT several weeks) and it was good advice back then. Now, not so much. If you're intentionally going longer than 24 hours for anything other than banks, you're only hurting yourself.

(I quit playing not long after titan 4's feature and titan 5 were added, because I didn't have the patience to get through the wall from titan 4 to the next zone)

[Elenoe]

Well, Megalands wall might be the one exception to that rule actually. I was always unsure about it...

When I started (1.000) I was doing 30mins rebirths except titan gear farming runs. Then got VSP set maxed, did basic challenges and there was a wall (all guides mentioned that). You can't do much about diggers. NGU wasn't really going. And that's pretty much it. Nothing else to get adventures from.

So I followed a guide, did one long run to make use of AT. That resulted in about 1 day until reaching Megalands, another 1.25 day to farm a set, and at that point I could beat UUG so I did (while loosing another day on the ring farm). After that you are never going back to short rebirths anyway.

At that point I was too noob to do the math myself if there actually is a way of short rebirths, getting enough energy to power who-knows-what to overcome that huge adventure gap, but was always wondering...

But the conclusion is using a day (or two max) at AT to get from VSP to UUG ASAP was not that bad move. And I'm still wondering if there actually is a better way.

After that it's as Fel says. 1day rebirths all the time except powering banks (making the loss of banks a big drawback that really needs strong justification).

[eqalidan]

Originally posted by Elenoe:

Well, Megalands wall might be the one exception to that rule actually. I was always unsure about it...

When I started (1.000) I was doing 30mins rebirths except titan gear farming runs. Then got VSP set maxed, did basic challenges and there was a wall (all guides mentioned that). You can't do much about diggers. NGU wasn't really going. And that's pretty much it. Nothing else to get adventures from.

So I followed a guide, did one long run to make use of AT. That resulted in about 1 day until reaching Megalands, another 1.25 day to farm a set, and at that point I could beat UUG so I did (while loosing another day on the ring farm). After that you are never going back to short rebirths anyway.

At that point I was too noob to do the math myself if there actually is a way of short rebirths, getting enough energy to power who-knows-what to overcome that huge adventure gap, but was always wondering...

But the conclusion is using a day (or two max) at AT to get from VSP to UUG ASAP was not that bad move. And I'm still wondering if there actually is a better way.

After that it's as Fel says. 1day rebirths all the time except powering banks (making the loss of banks a big drawback that really needs strong justification).

more or less what I was seeing, no clear way to go over that wall other then buy stats which at that point is miniscule at best, or go multi day to get some stats with nothing really stopping me from doing it.

seeing as adventure is the main focus of the game and everything else is secondary to adventure progress, why not? yggdrassil is minor at best, exp from bosses is getting to a near worthless amount, set it up to go and just and close game.

[Hypertext Eye]

Originally posted by Elenoe:

When I started (1.000) I was doing 30mins rebirths except titan gear farming runs. Then got VSP set maxed, did basic challenges and there was a wall (all guides mentioned that). You can't do much about diggers. NGU wasn't really going. And that's pretty much it. Nothing else to get adventures from.

When I started playing again this year, I started with a new save. I didn't hit a wall there, but I was already doing 24 hour rebirths by that time, with something like 30min-1hr of AT. (I didn't see a "wall" until climbing through the various forms of titan 6)

But the conclusion is using a day (or two max) at AT to get from VSP to UUG ASAP was not that bad move. And I'm still wondering if there actually is a better way.

Uh, are you advocating killing UUG with Gaudy set? Don't do that.

If you're keeping up with your gear, one day is all you need, but you shouldn't have to spend all that time on AT. 2 hours at most. With the huge diminishing returns, the lack of energy cap to keep up with the leveling slow down, and the lack of bank perks, any more AT time than that is meaningless. That energy is better used in NGU adv a.

Originally posted by eqalidan:

go multi day to get some stats with nothing really stopping me from doing it.

Again, going multi day on advanced training has extremely little benefit at that point in the game. Your energy cap is too low to make a noticeable difference.

seeing as adventure is the main focus of the game and everything else is secondary to adventure progress, why not? yggdrassil is minor at best, exp from bosses is getting to a near worthless amount, set it up to go and just and close game.

If you're actually focused on adventure then there's literally never a time when you can "set it up to go and just close game". By the time you max one set you're ready to start farming the next zone, and that's true all the way up to titan 5. Then you only need a few good drops from titan 5 to start moving again. If you close the game, you're not getting that gear or the boosts to make it useful.

[Elenoe]

Originally posted by ハイパーテクスト・アイ:

Uh, are you advocating killing UUG with Gaudy set? Don't do that.

no, I wrote I used Mega set :P

Originally posted by ハイパーテクスト・アイ:

If you're keeping up with your gear, one day is all you need, but you shouldn't have to spend all that time on AT. 2 hours at most.

before beards "more time in rebirth" does nothing at all if not spent on AT. I used AT until I was able to farm Megaland set. There is not much ways around that :)

NGU wasn't an option. It would not get me there in less then 24h. It would require quite more time to reach UUG through NGU alone.

Originally posted by ハイパーテクスト・アイ:

By the time you max one set you're ready to start farming the next zone, and that's true all the way up to titan 5

that's normally true up until Megalands. You can't reach Megalands with fully upgraded Gaudy unless you are slow on the way there. The time matters most. So if you take more days to get there then your NGU might be strong enough. More offline days that is.

But that's what "the wall" refers to. The point where you can't switch zones before you max out previous set.

Because if online, you would be farming zones and you certainly get sets faster then you can build NGU. Even if you are slow as me and waste time farming sets to 100 despite guides telling it's a bad idea :P

[Hypertext Eye]

Originally posted by Elenoe:

before beards "more time in rebirth" does nothing at all if not spent on AT.

I know this is not what you meant but you made it sound like you spend your whole rebirth doing AT and then immediately rebirth again without farming anything
I was doing longer rebirths for Ygg (I know it's not worth much that early on), and because I didn't feel like doing short rebirths anymore. AT was never a factor for me. Titan 3 seemed like a good time to go ahead and transition to 24 hours.

NGU wasn't an option. It would not get me there in less then 24h. It would require quite more time to reach UUG through NGU alone.

Fair enough.

By the time you max one set you're ready to start farming the next zone, and that's true all the way up to titan 5

that's normally true up until Megalands. You can't reach Megalands with fully upgraded Gaudy unless you are slow on the way there.

But that's exactly what I did, and I did that having never put more than 2 hours into AT per rebirth (I think it was less than 2 hours even). Are you saying I went slow? I literally never went offline unless I was sleeping (and actually not even then, I left the game running for cube boosting).


Ooooooooooooooh. The cube. I wonder if that's what made up the difference for me. Do you think?

[eqalidan]

Originally posted by ハイパーテクスト・アイ:

Originally posted by Elenoe:

before beards "more time in rebirth" does nothing at all if not spent on AT.

I know this is not what you meant but you made it sound like you spend your whole rebirth doing AT and then immediately rebirth again without farming anything :winter2019joyfultearsbulb:
I was doing longer rebirths for Ygg (I know it's not worth much that early on), and because I didn't feel like doing short rebirths anymore. AT was never a factor for me. Titan 3 seemed like a good time to go ahead and transition to 24 hours.

NGU wasn't an option. It would not get me there in less then 24h. It would require quite more time to reach UUG through NGU alone.

Fair enough.

that's normally true up until Megalands. You can't reach Megalands with fully upgraded Gaudy unless you are slow on the way there.

But that's exactly what I did, and I did that having never put more than 2 hours into AT per rebirth (I think it was less than 2 hours even). Are you saying I went slow? I literally never went offline unless I was sleeping (and actually not even then, I left the game running for cube boosting).

:winter2019neutralbulb:
Ooooooooooooooh. The cube. I wonder if that's what made up the difference for me. Do you think?

The cube could easily make up the difference, the problem however is you are getting 1 point per 1000 you put in... you are getting very low amounts of boosts and you don't have a way to auto put that into gear unless you buy the ap merge, that would probably more then make up the difference, its something I never did due to saving up for the advanced filter or other things I saw as far more useful.

If you had a maxed cube, and 50~% at you could probably do megalands instantly, My cube was likely worthless so I would have needed 200-250% to do it, i'm guessing you were somewhere in the middle.

honestly I didn't bother with the cube till I had the challenge filter, and that was toward the end of normal when I did the challenges. need to go back and finish off some of the more annoying ones.

[Hypertext Eye]

Originally posted by eqalidan:

The cube could easily make up the difference, the problem however is you are getting 1 point per 1000 you put in... you are getting very low amounts of boosts and you don't have a way to auto put that into gear unless you buy the ap merge, that would probably more then make up the difference, its something I never did due to saving up for the advanced filter or other things I saw as far more useful.

If you had a maxed cube, and 50~% at you could probably do megalands instantly, My cube was likely worthless so I would have needed 200-250% to do it, i'm guessing you were somewhere in the middle.

honestly I didn't bother with the cube till I had the challenge filter, and that was toward the end of normal when I did the challenges. need to go back and finish off some of the more annoying ones.

You don't need to spend any AP to auto boost. That comes from no equip challenge, and if you do all of those the timer goes down to 30 minutes. You only spend AP to get the timer down to 15 minutes (I think I bought that around BDW maybe?). I'm almost positive I had done that challenge before mega, or at the very least before Uug (probably right after Jake in fact). Yeah, I know, that's really early to do no equip. But I wanted the inventory space. I did all of the easier challenges pretty early.
That said, my cube was no where near "max". I didn't hit softcaps until some time after titan 6. On the other hand, you would have had almost 0 cube stats, because offline boost wasn't a thing yet.

[eqalidan]

Originally posted by ハイパーテクスト・アイ:

Originally posted by eqalidan:

The cube could easily make up the difference, the problem however is you are getting 1 point per 1000 you put in... you are getting very low amounts of boosts and you don't have a way to auto put that into gear unless you buy the ap merge, that would probably more then make up the difference, its something I never did due to saving up for the advanced filter or other things I saw as far more useful.

If you had a maxed cube, and 50~% at you could probably do megalands instantly, My cube was likely worthless so I would have needed 200-250% to do it, i'm guessing you were somewhere in the middle.

honestly I didn't bother with the cube till I had the challenge filter, and that was toward the end of normal when I did the challenges. need to go back and finish off some of the more annoying ones.

You don't need to spend any AP to auto boost. That comes from no equip challenge, and if you do all of those the timer goes down to 30 minutes. You only spend AP to get the timer down to 15 minutes (I think I bought that around BDW maybe?). I'm almost positive I had done that challenge before mega, or at the very least before Uug (probably right after Jake in fact). Yeah, I know, that's really early to do no equip. But I wanted the inventory space. I did all of the easier challenges pretty early.
That said, my cube was no where near "max". I didn't hit softcaps until some time after titan 6. On the other hand, you would have had almost 0 cube stats, because offline boost wasn't a thing yet.

I think my cube was ar 100-1000 in stats before I said this wasn't worth doing, everything was too slow and too cumbersome, Idont think I knew how to merge all at the time, and I would do it later when the boosts made more of a dent.

I also did no challenges till after my stupidly long rebirth, so I was around walderp before I did anything. some time around day 56~ or so I did a basic challenge, it took 3 hours, so I reverted the save and decided to do it after when I was done with the long rebirth. at that point I did every challenge I could, many of the ones that didn't keep adding bosses were done in under 10-15 minutes, still have 4 challenges that I didn't finish because of how much of an ass pain they would have been for little rewards... going to finish everything on normal off and start on evil once I get a full godmother set.

[Gutter]

sooo trying hard to break into megalands. ive got a full set of 100 from a strange place and they are fully boosted. 3 acc slot saving 30k xp for the second one. got my augment NGU at 65 and working with all the boosts i can really think of. am i missing something. mega lands hits me hard,

im 12 hours into a rebirth and with advanced training levels around 500 im sitting at 150 power and 90 toughness. what now! i wanna at least kill one megalander!!

[kevinshow]

Well I'm a recent player to this game, and I just got through this wall without buying adventure stats with EXP, so it is possible. However, buying it is fine too if someone really wants to.

I think of this game as, get gains slow or get gains slower, depending on what you do and how you play, but the gains will still come in, and you'll still progress, and one day you'll get to the zone or Titan that you wanted to get to, and it will seem like such a long time ago that you were just barely having 10,000 Power and 6000 Toughness.


Now I'm in the millions of Power and Toughness and it's really hard to remember that prior to the Megalands wall, we were really at < 30,000 or 40,000 on each.

sooo trying hard to break into megalands. ive got a full set of 100 from a strange place and they are fully boosted. 3 acc slot saving 30k xp for the second one. got my augment NGU at 65 and working with all the boosts i can really think of. am i missing something. mega lands hits me hard,

im 12 hours into a rebirth and with advanced training levels around 500 im sitting at 150 power and 90 toughness. what now! i wanna at least kill one megalander!!

For Megalands, you might consider doing some challenges or a multi-day rebirth where you put a lot of effort into Advanced Training. Getting those first couple of Mega Lands gear will then Help you get there again faster. (For example, I loved getting the F-tank. That accessory was amazing!)

During and after Megalands, you've reached a part of the game where you may spend several days or even weeks building up power/cap/bar as well as permanent Adventure stats via NGU or Beards or other things to reach the next Titan or next Zone.

You may or may not have done a lot of Advanced Training prior to this but from now on, it'll pretty much be something you run for almost your entire rebirth period. As you buy more power/cap and get better gear, you'll attain the Advanced Training levels faster and faster. Combine with your permanent growths in Adv Stats, you'll get there soon.

[Elenoe]

Originally posted by Gutter:

im 12 hours into a rebirth and with advanced training levels around 500 im sitting at 150 power and 90 toughness. what now! i wanna at least kill one megalander!!

I will assume that's 150k/90k :) and that's enough for manual sniping, so I would simply do that. It means only picking bosses (if it's not a boss, then press left-right to reset). There is no point in waiting for high enough stats for idling (and you need to learn manual anyway). As you start dropping items it will only be easier.

[Hypertext Eye]

I wish I could help, but I did not run into a wall there and really can't see how anyone else would. It's a bit frustrating. I mean, how has my experience been so drastically different from everyone else's?

Originally posted by navorskatie:

You may or may not have done a lot of Advanced Training prior to this but from now on, it'll pretty much be something you run for almost your entire rebirth period.

That... really shouldn't be necessary. As I said before, I never spent more than 2 hours per rebirth on advanced training until moving into Evil difficulty.

[Gutter]

my infinity cube is rank 2 now...how did that happen. how do i rank it up more the bonuses to drop and gold are nice

[Fel]

It ranks up every time the sum of its power and toughness gets an extra digit.
Rank 1 starts at 100, rank 2 at 1,000 and so on.
Basically don't worry about your cube, there is no real way to quickly boost it to higher ranks, just progressing through the game to get much stronger boosts and getting bonuses to your boosts.

Even if you reach the soft-cap for the cube the value added by boosts that is not shown still counts properly.