Could you advice me about my ratio (e/m) (p/c/b)?

[Nathanese]

I don't care much about min-maxing, I just had a slow but good flow/progression in normal. While switching to evil, the game tells me, which stats I should have. I'm fine with most but magic power and magic bar. there I have a little bit more than half of the amount I should have. I always used the ratio 1:30k:1 for pcb and 3:1 for em. I thougt this was the ratio what the exp-cost told me (and it was easy to do the math^^).
Now - what should I do? Simply go to 2:1 em for evil? Or should I change the pcp-ratio as well?
And should I change the ratio BEFORE I go to evil (I really would like to go to evil now^^)?

[Nathanese]

And should I max the chocolat - gear first before going to evil?

[Elenoe]

ratios are ok. If you use 1:25k:1 (1.5 : 37.5 : 1.5) you will get most from NGU x BEARDS which are your main drivers in early-mid evil, but that's just minor update. Once beards are consistently capped (with banks), getting to 1 : 37.5k : 0.2 - 0.5 is ok.

3:1 is still the best. You won't get much from switching to 2:1. You may try it for early-mid evil to get slight bonus from Ygg/Exp NGU before they are capped. But after you reach 2nd titan you certainly want to get back to 3:1 anyway.

No XP for adventure stats, only E/M (and "affordable" rich jerks).

As for chocolade.. I would. I don't see reason why you would not. It's easy to get. And you get nothing from skipping it (your stats in normal will already exceed BEAST ON requirements several times, so at that point it's matter of hours to get it) and you will need all the help in evil if you plan to jump early.

[Nathanese]

ok, than I will change my ratio to 1,5:37,5:1,5 now. I read this recommendation several times in the forum but always liked the (for me) easier math more and keep the 3:1-ratio.

Are getting bars really this "useless" after capping beards? I only need them to get a quick start after rebirth?

And I will max my chocolate-gear. Yes, there is not much lacking to 100%. I neglected a bit the boosts (didn't bought all the perks and getting not all to level 100). I'm working on that.

Thank you for your help

[Elenoe]

that's 1:25k:1, still nicely rounded.

It's worth noting that you can help beards a bit if you go to 1:25k:1.25 (+14% beards, -11% NGU/augs/TM), especially before you can cap any evil NGU (most of time in early evil you will still run normal NGUs) and switch to 1:1 later (or even keep 1.25 until the beard cap). You seem generaly aware of mechanics so it's up to your consideration.

Bars are useful only for beards feature and nothing else. So yes, after cap you can leave them as low as you are comfortable with.

[Nathanese]

Actually I already planned to put some days worth of exp exclusivly in bars after reaching the new ratio. After that I planned to build up with the help of the "Buy ALL custom purchases..."-Button. This way I don't have to do constantly the math^^. I like math and I think I get it BUT I'am really bad in doing math without a Calculator......
Don't know how strong the generation of exp will grow in evil but I think, this is pretty much what you said.

Thanks again for your help - Fel and you (of course others too) are making this game even more enjoyable.

[Hypertext Eye]

Originally posted by franben:

I always used the ratio 1:30k:1 for pcb and 3:1 for em. I thougt this was the ratio what the exp-cost told me (and it was easy to do the math^^).

If you go by exp cost alone, the pcb ratio is 1:37.5k:1.875

I'm not saying this is the "best" ratio (or what you should do), just wanted to point that out.

[eqalidan]

my ratio is
E 450/11250000/570
M 150/3750000/190

this is up from
E 45/1125000/57
M 15/375000/19

this is a 158.1k exp spend in both energy and magic, kind of effed myself for a while focusing on cap over anything else because what I was doing at the time, cap was SO much better than anything else, so I had to focus on buying my stats up a bit.

[treadbear]

I'm nearly at the transfer to Evil, I think. I've hit 301, but I can only kill up to Beast V2 on Adventure. Feel I may have done something wrong. Are we talking base values in these ratios, or total values?

[Hypertext Eye]

Originally posted by treadbear:

I'm nearly at the transfer to Evil, I think. I've hit 301, but I can only kill up to Beast V2 on Adventure. Feel I may have done something wrong. Are we talking base values in these ratios, or total values?

We are talking about base values.
Also, you are probably not focusing enough on NGU Adventure alpha and/or BEARd

[treadbear]

ok, energy currently power 12000, cap 200mil, bars 1700. Magic power 3100, cap 65mil, bars 800. NGU Adventure 84507, BEARd permanent bonus 2007 levels or 171.01%
Looks like I'm light on bars, not sure what else I'm missing.

[Hypertext Eye]

Your power to cap ratio is extremely high and your bars are extremely low.
Also it seems like you've been focusing on getting through the bosses and not as much on adventure. Focus on adventure for now and forget about your boss #.
Do you have Fruit of Knowledge at 24 with all the relevant perks? That's a huge source of exp it seems like you're missing out on, if you're already at boss 301 with those values. Also don't forget about NGU Ygg and Exp, they both play a big part in that exp gain.

[treadbear]

Fruit of Knowledge is at 11, with some perks. Haven't got the 150 point one yet. NGU Ygg is at 73464, NGU Exp at 41988

[Nathanese]

I never did the math but I think, most of my exp comes from fruit of Knowledge. At level 24 with the "sucks"-perks, diggers, the apple from the beast, ygg- and exp-ngu there is a huge amount of exp coming every 24 hours.
But probably your seed-Production is the first thing to work on? Your pomegranate should be at 24 too. And always put everything with "seed-gain" on before eating/harvesting the fruits. The yellow boots from walderp are helping much to get more seeds.

[Nathanese]

I forgot the poop-Perk and fruit of knowledge and pomegranate always eating with poop helps a lot

[Hypertext Eye]

Originally posted by franben:

The yellow boots from walderp are helping much to get more seeds.

You mean the stooB s'rerednaW.
Also don't forget UUG's special ring.