Question regarding R3 ratio

[Hoffman]

Context: 1.38 billion experience, 158 days played, started playing NGU two weeks after Steam release. Currently farming Godmother v1. My current ratio for E/M Power/Cap/Bars is 1:25k:1, and R3 is 1:25k:0.2.

When I unlocked Hacks, I went crazy on Resource 3 and put the majority of my experience into it. Considering they buff everything and are another multiplier, I figured it was smart since bonuses from most other sources are starting to wane. My E/M/R3 ratio (experience spent) has been 1:1:10. Now that I've unlocked Wishes, I suspect that might have been overboard. Should I switch to something more moderate like 1:1:5, or perhaps even 1:1:2? What has worked for other players? Thanks guys!

[Elenoe]

I've started same as you so I faced similar dilema :)

the natural ratio is 1:3:100! That's the best for wishes. And I started following it pretty much after NGU capped (the point where magic is no longer needed to be boosted and wishes consume it all).

Overdoing hacks is tricky. You may spend 10x more XP on R3 and it only gets you very little, so beware of this.

What I do is opportunistic pushing. When I bough 75% beard bank I needed two days run to fill it. So I've activated R3 boosts (both), grabbed all power/cap items I've had and pushed hacks far ahead (targetting 4min/level for useful hacks - HACKS, ADV, QP, PP, EXP and 1min/level for the rest). After that push (and boosts off) it's pretty useless to continue there so almost all R3 (and now E and M as well) goes to wishes (with gear going more towards daycare/quest/wishes).

Second push I've done recently as I was finishing evil challenges and needed that 4 days run again. Pushed everything to 4/1mins levels, got the boost and now I'm back on wishes.

Of course you synchronize these pushes with more XP directed to R3 temporarily as well as finishing hack wishes/quirks/perks and such.

Spending resouces on hacks in between such pushes seems not optimal. It won't get you any further as hacks are limited by R3 max, not time spent in it really. And as said I consider suboptimal to try to keep R3 maxed 100% time when very few concentrated pushes gets you pretty much further and in the meantime you can get your E:M:R3 balance optimized for NGU(first) and wishes(later).

Also don't neglect R3 bars. I've used 2:1 (power:bars) but had to switch to 1:1 anyway. When it gets above an hour it's "bad". And you will be ignoring a lot of perk/quirk/wish R3 bars (XP are more easy to get). And there is quite a few nice R3 cap items.

Oh.. and the power:cap ratio is actually 1:37.5k. You use 1.5 : 37.5 : 1.5 only because of beards which you should be capping now with that ratio. Or be very close at least, depending on banks.

[Hoffman]

That's great advice Elenoe, thank you! I'm actually doing something to that effect right now, I had to do a push to reach Godmother / Nerd v4 and decided I should use all my potions and milk Hacks as hard as I can. I like the phrase 'opportunistic pushing', I'll do something similar with the occasional push for gold to get diggers up.

I'm assuming right now that, with the exception of pushes, 24hr rebirths are ideal? Later on I suspect that 30m macguffin runs with a muffin will be good source of growth, but I think it's too early for me to be focusing on that.

To make sure I understand though, I should basically have my energy and magic amounts the same so that my Wishes ratio is better? Seems reasonable. And I should be spending 10x MORE into Hacks? That seems crazy, but I haven't done any math on Wishes yet so I suppose that makes sense.

Also, since you mentioned daycare, any recommendations on what to put there? I always have a Looty and Pendant in there. Obviously any hearts that need to be maxed (just pink and rainbow left now). I also put an adventure muffin, and when I have the free slot, a drop muffin.

Thanks again for taking the time to respond, I appreciate the tips!

[Elenoe]

I've misread your ratio is not ratio for resources but for XP spent. So by the "natural" I mean 1:1:1 (XP spent) AKA for every 100 energy it's 33 magic and 1 resource. The ratio when you get the same %gain/XP for all three resources. Wishes treats all resources equally (meaning 10% gain in energy is the same as 10% gain in R3). So that works for them. And by not wasting too many XP on R3 you get more E/M for your NGU as well.

The math of hacks: if you spend 2x more XP on R3 (meaning you get 4x more power*cap strength) all you get for it is +180 levels in hacks. And since hack bonuses are multiplicative you can pretty clearly read what bonuses that means (like around 12% of adventure). If that's worth is up to you really. It seemed too low for me to keep 200% R3 all the time. So I raise R3 above 1:1:1 only before push. Get the higher bonuses further supported by potions (which by the way also mean "just" +200 levels) and then back to 1:1:1 for faster NGU/wishes for another long period.

And yes I do 24h rebirths. Yggdrasil (and Iron Pills) forces to do that :)

As for McGuffins I did the math once and doing 30mins is not something I would plan for. It goes like this: if you compare person A who only does 24h rebirths and spend one guffin potion (for 2 days bonus) with person B who does 24h run (for same overlapping bonus) followed by 32x30min rebirths (16h - god help him with sanity) followed by 8h sleep, the person B gets around 5x more bonus then person A (meaning he gets 4 free days of MacGuffins bonus).

It's certainly not worth loosing banks for it. But IMO it's not really worth it even around challenges or changing to sadistic. (You will still loose a day of Ygg bonuses.)

I'm daycaring copy of pendant and looty as well And since I'm slowly getting to the last tier of both (around 85%) I use few daycare items.

And the rest are MacGuffins. I've rather not put Adventure there As adventure is the only hourly guaranteed drop and with that early wish that rise MacGuffin level drop by 5 adventure is already waaay ahead everything else. And.. I'm not sure about sadistic drop chances.. but after GODMOTHER importance of drop chance rapidly dropped. I've capped chance in every further zone, Exile's 25% included and it will last until V4 for sure.

So my reasoning is to boost all three powers (couldn't find better guffins) and both NGUs (they seem like very important thing in sadistic again. A note: E/M power guffins boosts NGU as well :) and they help with wishes in the meantime).

[Hoffman]

Ahh okay that makes a lot more sense regarding the wish ratio, thanks for clarifying. Yeah I'll just distribute evenly then, though I still think when you unlocked hacks but NOT wishes, it might be smart to temporarily pump hacks.

Also shifting my ratio to favor 1:40k:1 instead. As long as I keep Voodoo Doll equipped my Beards are currently maxed.

I still think I may do muffin runs, but strictly when I go back for challenges. Seems like it probably isn't worth it to specifically grind out for that given the opportunity cost of losing time on Ygg.

Good insight with macguffins, thank you. Generally speaking adventure has always seemed like the most important stat so I figured no harm in pumping that up, but e/m/r3 power is probably a lot more valuable. Given the progression trends I assumed drop chance would stay important and plummet harder as time goes on, but if it levels out then no complaints here.

Thanks again for the great tips it's very helpful :)