Multi accounts?

[Qor]

Greeting, considering it seems people are allowed to use 4 accounts , they have 4x the labor in compare to someone using 1 account
Means they can have 4 x 2 property without any extra tax to pay
That mean as well they have 8 x the archepass benefits and in terms of gold they gain 4 times what u gain
The result is simple : Several people are overstuff in term of Gear score , the pvp become unbalanced and plenty of people realise it and leave the game

So ok, difficult to handle that because sometimes people play together (your wife , your kids and all) but dont you think that its maybe time to stop that and limit the labor to only 1 IP and not labor/account? or maybe limit 2 account / IP?

What is happening now is a big joke , 14/15k gs some people have : ),even by playing day and night on a single account you will never reach that.
More , plenty of houses and fields all over , 50 percent of those are empty.
Why not do the same and us 4 accounts? because the game is not supposed to be played like that, using multi account is exactly the same as pay to win and that will slowly kill the game we like, so please find a solution

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[RoyalAlchemist]

3 account is the max one person is "suppose" to have.

though this is really a dumb argument for the simple reason; people are using hiram gear. Minus the money those alts make their labor is meaningless to the main character as only they can touch their hiram gear and upgrade it via their own labor pool.

all multiple accounts does rn is allow for more monies ... when monies is not even the stop gap. It's labor. Main labor will be depleted super quick when upgrading gear ... to the point they just end up stock piling monies.

[Qor]

and? upgrading hiram cost big amount of money and labor
For sure , as far as its ok for you to keep pay to win , its better they dont change anything so u can feel like a god and kill low gs even if you have no skill at all in pvp
Labor and gold is the most important in archeage, now instead of buying labor potions like in the past , we buy accounts , nice attitude
Keep dancing with your stuff like a christmas tree in front of capital, when u will realise noone is watching you anymore because everyone left the game , you will understand better why i post this.

[RoyalAlchemist]

And what?

Labor is the stop gap ... like I said. Not money. Mains will always be labor capped for progression and just end up with more money than they need with guess what ... a large lack of labor to use to upgrade their gear. Since you know, alts cant upgrade your gear ... again just earn you money.

You're not asking for any sort of change ... no where did you offer any sort of ideas. You're just whining. I get you dont wanna pay for another account to progress at a fast pace ... but if you're having this much trouble this game aint for you. You wont be competitive or the near the top .. YOU need to be fine with that or change how you play.

Keep whining ... it'll get you no where. As for this convo I am done as you've proven you can't read and are only out to needlessly complain.

[Qor]

So, it means it's useless to make money in the game from what i read
So why are people wasting time farming and making trade packs if it's useless?
What is exactly the goal in game then? upgrade your gs?for most of the people playing yes it is the goal
To upgrade your gs you need money , if u want more money , you buy several accounts
you can give me whatever stupid argument to defend your multi account use , you know its true
And for your info man , give me your gear , i will show u what means pvp, and i'm not talking about grey kill like most of the people overstuff is doing on archeage for now
Now u want an idea : simple, like on other games 1 account per person and thats it, but of course it wont happend, too many people will cry on forums cuz they wont be able to get easy money anymore
If i was wrong, noone would use several accounts, actually 75percent of people still playing use several accounts

[Alexe]

Just play at your own pace. Even if you have 3 accounts then you will say it's still not enough because you can buy gold from goldsellers. It's not worth to be competitive in mmorpg unless you are a nolifer or spend crazy amounts of money to become like one.

[Qor]

i'm not asking to play for free, i dont really care to spend money, spended 500euros in 3 month of archeage when it was launched in alpha and released
I'm just talking about something not fair for everyone, the way gamigos or whatever name they have is not my problem, but anyway they wont gain alot of money from a few accounts that people will buy to pay to win in this game
Check the credit market, see alot of furniture to buy? see alot of costume to buy or for example houses , design .?a free to play game generally do money buy selling cosmetic items instead of giving for free (and this is for me for free to sell for that price) a car for 1500 diligence, or a 44/44 bean house design for 1200 diligence. the car is not even the design, its the rampage chroma already builded lol
Next month we get enoan for 2k dilligence, ghost ship for 1500 and bike for 1000?
The only part of the game that is pain in the ass actually is the gear system that make pvp impossible for casual, now by giving such important things for almost nothing in diligence , another part of the game is broken
So ok clients stay a bit longer, but what next?
i'm not whining,im just giving my point of view, if you want to use multi account , go for it and get 3 x labor and 6x archepass in compare to regular players
One last thing, i have buy the design of bike for 1k gildas and farmed the components hardly to make it, now i see rampage 1500 diligence on shop , how should i feel?

[Prince & Emperor]

Originally posted by RoyalAlchemist:

And what?

Labor is the stop gap ... like I said. Not money. Mains will always be labor capped for progression and just end up with more money than they need with guess what ... a large lack of labor to use to upgrade their gear. Since you know, alts cant upgrade your gear ... again just earn you money.

You're not asking for any sort of change ... no where did you offer any sort of ideas. You're just whining. I get you dont wanna pay for another account to progress at a fast pace ... but if you're having this much trouble this game aint for you. You wont be competitive or the near the top .. YOU need to be fine with that or change how you play.

Keep whining ... it'll get you no where. As for this convo I am done as you've proven you can't read and are only out to needlessly complain.

I'm sorry but either you just started the game and don't understand the full extent of the labor system, or you are arguing in bad faith, or you are just not very smart.
Yes, labor is the limiting factor but alt accounts provide exactly that. Instead of using a certain amount of labor of your main account a day on your farming ventures, crafting, gathering, etc, you now have your full daily labor amount free to upgrade gear. While using the extra labor on your secondary accounts just to make money, which will then go to your main account. The same main account that now can use all of its labor (and extra money) on upgrading instead of having to use it to make money too.

Now please tell me again how multiple accounts don't give you a labor bonus. Again, this is such a simple concept, the only reason you did not bring that up is lack of knowledge about the system, lack of critical thinking skills, or you were fully aware but in an attempt to whitewash multiple accounts you left this information out on purpose, thus arguing in bad faith.

[Qor]

Of course they arguing in bad faith, why would people buy multi account if it wasnt to gain a huge benefit in compare to others

Want a solution to that crap? Remove Gear score, you will see how crappy those losers are in pvp when they wont be able anymore to grey kill low gear people

Another solution? real prices on arena for pvp, and totaly balanced arena with zero gearscore

Nothing have change from the past, no more labor potions, now its multi account labor cheat that involve pay to win gear for people who spend their life on the game

[Prince & Emperor]

Originally posted by Databoy:

No, what Royal told was - even with one alt you can make more money than you can spend labor in gear so. Basically at the end of day you will have, let's say, 1000g an 0 labor. Where is the point of gold if you have no more Labor to use it where you need/want! But I agree it would be nice if everyone just had one account ! But how ? How you imagine to do that ? Someone will buy multiple PC. Me for example if I use all PC in My house I can play on 12 accounts ... ! Okey you make network block allowing only one account at same time under that IP ! He can simply run one account at same time and switch accounts when labor out on one, that's it ! Or even restart router ( it will swap IP ) ... Or even buy multiple networks accounts, in some countries that's cheap ! OK you make that you have to register with your ID .... He can ask friends ID who aren't playing that game or even pay some homeless person for his ID use ... ! I would totally agree that It would be better that we could stay on using only one account ! But that's impossible to control ! And server must earn from somewhere ! You think, they will keep severs alive when there will be no one who buys accounts ? They will be forced to think alternatives. I like this project and want to see where it will end up! Someone might advice removing Labor system but then again will suffer ppl who are working and can't spend all day at PC ... I think so far this is lot better project that standard Archeage especially for working ppl who don't have time to spend in-game and farm for patron etc. SO yea so far I agree with Royal that all You are doing is whining because you want to play for free... ! But gaming are like all entertainment/relaxation where you must pay for quality! Just like if you are going to some trip, you can chose to pay more and live in 5 star hotel or save money and sleep in the car ! Of course more enjoyable entertainment/relaxation will be in 5 star hotel ! Wouldn't you agree ?

It is funny that you say this version of archeage is better than legacy when you are literally saying it's okay to pay extra to get advantages. Of course it will be nigh impossible to prevent -some- people from using multiple accounts but using a variety of methods (some of which you listed), would make it too much effort for most people. It won't completely resolve the issue but it would alleviate the problem at least a little.
You suggest you should be able to spend money to get ahead of other people who can't or won't. That is literally archeage legacy and you are a whale.
It's perfectly fine to say "hey I have multiple accounts and I don't give a ♥♥♥♥ that you guys dont have as much labor as me" but why do you people always try to act like there is no difference and that it is absolutely fair like this. There are a lot of reasons why someone would do that, none of them good or favourable.

[Qor]

To resume multi account owner have pay for a 5 star hotel, which mean they just PAY to WIN
If i remember well, gamigo said pay to win won't happend on archeage unchained?that it wont be possible to buy something that will give an advantage in game, only cosmetic things?
If nothing is done very fast to prevent multi account, the game is dead in max 1 month or 2, and problem is , with the amount of advantage some people already got since months with their 3 or more accounts in compare to 1 account player, its probably already dead
I'm seriously thinking on demolish kit both my harvester farm and tradehouse and quit for good now

[Qor]

Sure i'm free to go, like most of the players already did, but what will happend when the remaining will go as well, you will play solo in your 5 stars hotel with the few percent of players left who just connect to make their daily then disconnect to play on another game?
If i'm still on archeage, its just because i believe in this game since long, but pvp unbalanced cuz of gs and this crap with multi account is slowly destroying it again from what i can see.
Just check the population now and the population of last month, not difficult to understand it

[Qor]

Solution 1 : remove gearscore , make the game possible for everyone to fight (even casual people who can't spend their life on the game and have a job)
Solution 2 : multi account not allowed , gain your cash with the cosmetic only via marketplace credit or by selling extension to the game
Solution 3 : total wipe of the servers , gather half empty servers full of multi account and make it fresh with active players only, not afk people everywhere enjoying their multi account labor industry
Solution 4 : Remove those easy win things u give away each month for free to ruins the goal of several people not specialy focus on pvp only (like best car in game for only 1500 dilligence)

Want more databoy? i'm not "Whining", i just explain to everyone what is exactly happening on the game actually just so they know that several people (like u) enjoy the game by using multi account to have a huge advantage and try to find some lame arguments to defend their cheating

have a nice day

[Qor]

No point to answer to you , like i said , lame arguments
Keep cheating, buy some more accounts so u can feel like a god with your overstuff character
If you find that normal to see someone with a gearscore of 12k one shot someone with a gs of 8k, your problem after all, lot of skill, wonderfull pvp
If u find normal to get a car that cost huge to craft for only 1500 dilligence , when some people have spend alot of time and money/labor to craft their things , sure why not, then do the same with gear so we dont have to spend money and time to run your stupid hiram dailies every days
And for your information , if you want to stay online with a char, just check on the net, they will explain you how to do that
Now enough of discussion with you, you are that kind of guy who will never admit something that give him the opportunity to exploit and get huge advantage, even on a dead forum that techsupport don't even read anymore

How about next patch they place on market 500dilligence : hiram gear of 12k gs for everyone, its ok for you too then?