Vriska Is a Filthy Liar.

[Everybody do the flop]

She straight-up manipulates MSPAR into thinking she did nothing wrong and it was all Spider mom's fault.

The point where PQ is, Vriska has:
Blinded Terezi
Crippled Tavros
Made Kanaya's life miserable
Made Sollux kill Aradia

She's also shown to have no remorse for those actions because apparently they weren't important enough to bring up and instead the Spidermom related deaths were.

I know Vriska will never get punished for that, despite the fact this is WAY before she ever tried to be a hero or redeem herself. Why won't she? Well, because she's everyone's favourite "pet" character, kind of like how Slimer was in Real Ghostbusters post-season 1 and Scrappy Doo was after his initial season or two. People WILL hate her, but nothing bad can happen to her, no matter how much of a forked up individual she is.

People hate Eridan, but this is also way before he tried to kill anyone. I know he's killed a lot of Lusii, but he has to to keep Feferi's Lusus alive. Well, at least he's not killing innocent Trolls. Speaking of, couldn't Vriska have just fed her own Lusus other Lusii too? Heck, Eridan may never even kill anyone in PQ, so really, Vriska is the worst character morals wise and character wise. I sure do hope and wish and PRAY she gets beaten down, but it will never happen. :/

[wordsmith101]

How would Tavros even hypothetically know she was trans, anyway? He never met her face to face till the game.

[Renaliassance]

Originally posted by wordsmith101:

How would Tavros even hypothetically know she was trans, anyway? He never met her face to face till the game.

Well actually, he did, remember when he got thrown off a cliff? and they probably have FLARPed together before

not defending Tavros = Chaser, tho

[wordsmith101]

That wasn't face-to-face. It was a computer projection of Vriska from the FLARP bat.

[Renaliassance]

Originally posted by wordsmith101:

That wasn't face-to-face. It was a computer projection of Vriska from the FLARP bat.

Tavros was face to face with a projection of Vriska, therefore he was face to face with Vriska, his face was looking at the face of Vriska, face to face.

[wordsmith101]

You know damn well what I mean. Also, projections can be altered; humans have voice-changing tech, trolls certainly would have hologram-changing tech.

[HeeCawRoo]

i think whether or not they met face to face is hardly the point when vriskas line in this "only knew me as that girl on the internet" or whatever she said already pretty clearly implies no one knew or at least that no one cared. im pretty sure tavros or whoever being a chaser (even ignoring the fact that he wasnt "chasing" her at all) would pretty much ruin that aspect of this portrayal, so i dont know why anyone would try to push that

[wordsmith101]

Yeah, I mean, leaving aside the fact that SHE was the one chasing HIM...

[thorondragon]

Originally posted by HeeCawRoo:

i think whether or not they met face to face is hardly the point when vriskas line in this "only knew me as that girl on the internet" or whatever she said already pretty clearly implies no one knew or at least that no one cared. im pretty sure tavros or whoever being a chaser (even ignoring the fact that he wasnt "chasing" her at all) would pretty much ruin that aspect of this portrayal, so i dont know why anyone would try to push that

The whole route was designed to be super vague about it, even if Kate was trying to trumpet it. Literally she is the only one that tried to force that view on it and everyone else more or less ignored Kate doing that. Kate is only one person in a larger team.... And i am pretty sure while there are other people who like the headcanon, the issue is like, implementing it.

Vriska has had many situations of heart to heart, espcially with John. Its just too late to add it. Its why chagning a character to fit a mold doesn't work, they have to be designed for it.

That extends beyond gender, sex, and gay stuff. It be like if in Harry Potter Hermione suddenly started showing she was learning dark magic without even a bit of forshadowing, because the author suddenly liked the idea.

Basically adding a trait doesn't truly work if you try to do it late in the game. The boat has sailed and sunk when it comes to making Vriska a transgirl.
Honestly if it was something planned all along then it could have been pretty interesting. But again, it wasn't, and it would be a very out of unvierse retcon.


I think it was mostly the closest way they could to fufilling that tobrelone wish without literally catching everything on fire.

[thorondragon]

Originally posted by Club Bumpty:

Originally posted by wordsmith101:

Doesn't he specifically insist on calling Roxy she even when corrected, or am I remembering it wrong?

I also can't help but feel being trans shouldn't be that easy on Alternia. The whole society is set up to force trolls into their birth-assigned roles by blood colour, if they let them change their birth-assigned role on something else wouldn't they start getting seditious ideas? Not to mention, as I said, I don't see why the unspeakably evil and extremely gender-binarist Lord English would allow that. On Beforus, yeah, I can believe it, but not Alternia.

Originally posted by HeeCawRoo:

its more like he keeps defaulting to she, but when corrected he goes along with it -- but then the next time he just does it again. thats why i think theres some ambiguity about whether hes doing it on purpose or not

Again just going off of memory, but i think he was doing it on purpose while Roxy was they/them, but then was okay with it but slipping up once roxy was a dude

Always saw that as Dirk getting emotional and frustrated with Roxy.

He thought he knew Roxy better than anyone. They grew up in the same post apocalypse together, probably collaborated to survive on a few occassions. Then it turns out he can't look into her head. And he had to deal with the fact that he could neither make Roxy become his ally, nor deliberately manipulate her into becoming his enemy.

And then the whole nonbinary thing popped up and it made him really pissy. Cause more than likely he really, really wanted to involve Roxy in his plans. Like make em an ally, or make them a direct enemy. And now he began realizing he really didn't know Roxy at all.

[Everybody do the flop]

Originally posted by thorondragon:

Originally posted by HeeCawRoo:

i think whether or not they met face to face is hardly the point when vriskas line in this "only knew me as that girl on the internet" or whatever she said already pretty clearly implies no one knew or at least that no one cared. im pretty sure tavros or whoever being a chaser (even ignoring the fact that he wasnt "chasing" her at all) would pretty much ruin that aspect of this portrayal, so i dont know why anyone would try to push that

The whole route was designed to be super vague about it, even if Kate was trying to trumpet it. Literally she is the only one that tried to force that view on it and everyone else more or less ignored Kate doing that. Kate is only one person in a larger team.... And i am pretty sure while there are other people who like the headcanon, the issue is like, implementing it.

Vriska has had many situations of heart to heart, espcially with John. Its just too late to add it. Its why chagning a character to fit a mold doesn't work, they have to be designed for it.

That extends beyond gender, sex, and gay stuff. It be like if in Harry Potter Hermione suddenly started showing she was learning dark magic without even a bit of forshadowing, because the author suddenly liked the idea.

Basically adding a trait doesn't truly work if you try to do it late in the game. The boat has sailed and sunk when it comes to making Vriska a transgirl.
Honestly if it was something planned all along then it could have been pretty interesting. But again, it wasn't, and it would be a very out of unvierse retcon.


I think it was mostly the closest way they could to fufilling that tobrelone wish without literally catching everything on fire.

Yeah, I lost all respect for PQ after Vriska's route and I can't even take it seriously anymore.

[Everybody do the flop]

Originally posted by thorondragon:

Originally posted by Club Bumpty:

Again just going off of memory, but i think he was doing it on purpose while Roxy was they/them, but then was okay with it but slipping up once roxy was a dude

Always saw that as Dirk getting emotional and frustrated with Roxy.

He thought he knew Roxy better than anyone. They grew up in the same post apocalypse together, probably collaborated to survive on a few occassions. Then it turns out he can't look into her head. And he had to deal with the fact that he could neither make Roxy become his ally, nor deliberately manipulate her into becoming his enemy.

And then the whole nonbinary thing popped up and it made him really pissy. Cause more than likely he really, really wanted to involve Roxy in his plans. Like make em an ally, or make them a direct enemy. And now he began realizing he really didn't know Roxy at all.

Doesn't seem like that at all. Dirk is literally just an object now, that's set to make everyone hate him except for Dave and Karkat.

[wordsmith101]

It doesn't make any sense for him NOT to know Roxy well, either, since each of them was literally all the other had until Jake and Jane contacted them. Why wouldn't Roxy have told him all this, especially since Roxy was in love with him and would probably have latched on immediately to any chance to present as male and get rid of the dealbreaker trait of femininity?

[Em]

I'm pretty sure that most trans people like being their gender more than they do being in a relationship. If Roxy is cis, why didn't she transition into a dude to get dirk to like her?

[Zekh]

There are a bunch of people working at WP that are just awful on Twitter. (Just saw the first posts of the thread).

[wordsmith101]

That's my point. Roxy had incentive to not present as female, which someone who didn't identify as female would have probably considered more important than the opinions of a centuries-dead society. If s/he/they (pronouns when discussing characters who transitioned or didn't in different timelines are a pain in the neck) didn't consider presenting as female to be more important to their integrity and happiness than hooking Dirk, why didn't s/he/they transition earlier, if s/he/they always wanted to? I didn't consider myself nonbinary till I was almost thirty but I live in a strongly gendered society; Roxy was raised by carapaces, which don't seem to have external gender characteristics at all.