How to make Money

[Anab]

So hello,

I'm new here, but not so new to management games. Is there a list/sheet that shows the base value of food/drinks and then the aging value?

I say, because a lot depends on money in the game, especially for structural reforms. But there is little or no indication/control of your income. (this is a suggestion for developers if they are reading )

How do you know which dish is more profitable or which drink is more profitable? What are the most interesting ingredients to add to enhance the value of a fermentation drink? Wine or beer?

I've been opting for white/red wine with grapes,honey and mangoes, and occasionally champagne, when I need to raise some good money. But I'm not sure if it's the right decision.

Anyway, if anyone who's been playing for a while has any tips. I would love to hear. :)
If not, I'm thinking about doing this survey myself. But I don't know how effective this would be, as the game is still under construction, and therefore constantly changing.
Hugs!

[Endora]

Sry, I never bothered with that, I simply cook/breed what I can with the material I have, specially in the begining of a new save, when the itens and money are scarce. There was a time were you could put cheese on every recipe so the profit would increase, but not now. The best for now is to lvl up the farming skill to increase your crops profit.

Anyway, I wouldn't say to not make wine, but it's the slowest so you need to consider the production time too. In my oldest save I have two machines of each, one of them for the slowest products and other for the faster.

And yet I would say that the most time you can keep it aging will be better, again, I recomend to dedicate some of the barrels to go until the iten reach the Grand Reserve quality and use the others for faster pocket money.

[brian_va]

if you hover your mouse over a drink or dish it will show you how much you should earn. same as when adding an ingredient to a drink or dish. the rarer fruits seem to push the drink values higher, maybe make it a point to check the wild fruit trees to harvest them when they are ready and buy whatever fruits you can afford from the mailbox.

you should always try and age your drinks to max level when possible. sometimes you cant because you have to have stuff to sell, but do it when you can.

i've got a chest in the cellar for unaged drinks and a chest in the bar for aged drinks. expanding the cellar and filling it with barrels was one of my initial focuses. i now try and keep a nearly full chest of fully aged drinks ready to go, as well as 30-40 barrels full of drinks aging.

foods, i don't really worry about too much, just make a bunch of stuff to fill the box so you have stuff to sell, variety is nice but if you are open all day you need stuff in quantity. and really that goes for drinks as well, i just make sure i'm making stuff to have to sell. i've really mostly shifted to making what i can make in stacks, as you can put a 30 stack in a barrel, so making 3 different drinks that stack to 12, therefore needing 3 barrels to age feels inefficient.

the game seems to snowball at some point. once you can seat 20 or so people (i'm really guessing at that number, it could be a bit higher or lower, play with it) and you can bring on a waiter, bartender and bouncer you can really just open as soon as you wake up and let the bar handle itself all day. of course youll need to refill the taps and keep foods cooking and so on, but you can easily top things off and then go down to the farm shop and gather the forage and minerals, stop back and top off, then head north and do that loop.

there's almost certainly a breakpoint where you can make and sell only the highest priced stuff, it really doesnt seem necessary. initially gold is a problem, but at some point you are able to just print money on demand, and everything else becomes a bottleneck.

[LotusBlade]

Originally posted by Anab:

How do you know which dish is more profitable or which drink is more profitable? What are the most interesting ingredients to add to enhance the value of a fermentation drink? Wine or beer?

1) First of all, check how much it costs to produce that item, then compare to how much it sells for to know income;
2) Try adding flawors of different types, for example, you can put one fruit, one veggie, one meat, one grass, one dairy etc > it will improve any item price as long as they are from different tags; (for example, you won't get any benefits from putting 3 lemons into same wine)
3) Each ingredient increases product selling price by certain %. Example, let's say a lemon has +10% bonus and was used for base-price wine of 100 > it would bring 110 income. And if you put same lemon into some aged beer with base price 500, it will cost 550.
4) Items of same category can have different income bonuses, so strawberry, melon, pear etc all have different % bonuses even if it take same ammount of time / effort to produce them, so experiment freely.

As was already stated above, you care about quantity, not quality. Eventually you just wake up, slap together anything there is in kitchen, then throw it into bar and call it a day. You might want to make sure there is food varietty tho, it will be very hard to sell 60 teas instead of 20 soup, 20 salad, 20 fried fish.

Game is a lot more casual and does not requires min-maxing.

[Icy]

id go for broth, cheap and easy to get in bundles, chowder and other soups are mostly veg which is also easier, bread, if you have milk go for yogurt super cheap and simple to make with big profit. collecting mushrooms opens up a lot of cheap items. it takes awhile to build up stock, so i currently have 390+gold coins so i do tend to buy what i want from the shop, but before i was simply selling soup/porridge and just putting 1 thing in at random, the better the item the more money you get in return obviously, also if you are still new in game i would hold off on staff till you have a backlog of decent food and money (at the start you'll have a small customer capacity so you alone could handle it first employee i went for was bartender which i recommend as it allows you to clean and then check the back for more food prep), you can also do garlic shrimp, shrimp you can buy and garlic grows basically all year, once you have some money to spend that gives a good return also :)

Also alcohol. stout. make stout, easiest to mass produce, not amazing return compared to like vodka or the wines. but stout you can make in the oven the grains then put in barrels, it costs a fair bit of coal but no more or less than others, its also (or it seems to me) quicker to ferment and i usually sell stout on tap only and only preserve for the minimum time as while making it a grand reserve is obviously better for profit, but at the start you kinda just want to push out as much as possible to get a stockpile then you can preserve for longer, making more profit overall. for this i would invest heavily in barrels for your basement you can craft them pretty cheaply also :) Also tea, i stockpiled tea at the start, really cheap and while it takes a little while to sell does give a fair return

Hope this helps, feel free to message me if need more help <3

[jabbywocks]

If you go to the Guides section here on Steam, there's a guide called "Tips and Tricks..." that was super helpful for me, starting out :) It gives a nice breakdown on item cost/sell benefits.

[Anab]

I read every comment, and thank you very much! They were of excellent help!

I'm thinking about keeping two sections of aging barrels, one for wine and one for beer (which actually gives me some interesting short-term money that I didn't notice until you commented)

I would like to take this opportunity to reinforce someone's tip above: tea is a great option. It yields a lot, is easy to make (0 cost if you buy seeds) and is sold at a reasonable price. In my game it sells a lot.

As I have now managed to hire all the employees possible, I am investing in improving profitability in the game so the tavern becomes sustainable in the long term and I can make structural improvements too (which requires a lot of money). These tips will be useful.

For those who are investing in wine. So far my best profits have come from: champagne, white/red wine (planting the grapes) with the addition of grapes, honey and a fruit (if you have it planted it already reduces the purchase cost).

Thank you so much guys!