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When you're in his study and invisible, you have the option of opening the study windows, which overlook a wrought iron spiked fence. If you choose to kill him, he goes out the window and gets impaled on the spikes.
Alexander's death gets you no Sin because, from God's perspective, the window opened by itself, you were defending yourself when he attacked you, and him going out the window was an accident.
Egor, meanwhile, was actively sacrificed by Vasilisa to Satan in exchange for more power, which is Super F♥♥♥ing Evil, and because Vasilisa wasn't invisible, God totally saw that so she gets All The Sin. Yes, he murdered your fiance, but you're supposed to bring him to God's judgement for that, not do it yourself.
(Also, since this is probably relevant, I didn't kill either of them in my playthrough)
Oh. I didn't know that bit. Yikes.
Now that you mention that bit, that doesn't make sense. Maybe there's some cultural nuance to this that we're missing...
He's not worse than Egor, in theory, and he is not unreasonable, ok, but he is not a good person either. The whole point is that it's very difficult to be a Koldun, play around with chorts and curses and remain a good person, despite a person's best intentions.
As for that scene... Yeah, considering that by then you had convinced Alexander to give up on his plan, help you against his own master and then help you against Egor, sacrificing him should be sinful too, I totally agree. But about Egor... he is complicated. He's definitely not a good person, nor is he trying to be one, but there's a clear logic behind all of his sins. In his mind, every sacrifice he's made is justifiable because it will be undone by his wish. If his wish came true, the Black Book would have stayed in its tower, where it had spent centuries, without being rediscovered and, thus, none of the events of the game would have come to pass. The tragedy of it all is that the wish was an illusion, a misinterpretation perpetuated by the legend, so, Egor's desire would never have been realized and all of his sacrifices were ultimately in vain. In the end, there is no magical solution for evil acts and emotional pain (his wish was clearly largely influenced by his traumatic relationship with Prokopy).
Sacrificing Egor is sinful because, I imagine, of your relationship with him and because the act itself of sacrificing someone to break the seal is sinful (you are sacrificing a person's life for your individual wish, there's no getting around that). The only good choice in that scene is sacrificing the Book itself.
PS.: Also, I don't think the game registers sacrificing Alexander correctly. I did it for the lulz and he appeared alive during the ending scene. Totally awkward.
PPS.: About Vasilisa's fiancé, note how, during that fateful scene, Egor emphasizes that he wasn't a good person, that he wasn't who Vasilisa thought he was. At the time, it might have seemed that Egor was only trying to justify the murder he commited. But later, when in Hell, Satan gloats that he was your fiancé all along and asks you to rule Hell by his side. That may have been him trying to fool Vasilisa in order to seduce her... but, I don't know, it seems plausible he was telling the truth. And if he was, that would shine a whole new light on Egor's actions. I kicked Satan's ass so I don't know what would have happened if I had chosen to marry him instead. Maybe something would have changed.
I don't think Satan actually /is/ Vasilisa's fiance, I think that was just him maliciously interpreting her wish. In the good ending where you destroy the book (I had a total sin of 0 at the ending, so I'm not sure if it would be the same with higher sin), she's implied to be reunited with her fiance in heaven.
When I sacrificed Alexander, the ending mentioned him surviving the events of the game, only to be killed later during the russian revolution. It was weird. Maybe something bugged on my save but I don't know what since everything else was fine.
I agree that sacrificing him should at least give as much sin as sacrificing Egor. Beyond the fact that Egor, despite his somewhat noble reasons, commited terrible sins throughout his life (like the revelation that he had killed the wife of the Hunter that appears in the wolf seal chapter and blamed it on the Leshy), there's the fact that when Alexander is in that scene he's there specifically to help Vasilisa, after showing remorse for his actions. So sacrificing him is a pretty terrible betrayal.
Now, you could argue that Egor's goal was also a good one - his wish would have gotten rid of the Black Book and is in every way just as selfish as Vasilisa's. However, the dude went the completely wrong way about it. He could have literally talked to Vasilisa and asked her to throw in a lil' extra something for him when making her wish, lmao. If Alexander could theoretically wish for so much change, I don't see why Vasilisa couldn't have made a wish that benefited both her and Egor.
Agreed. I don't recall Egor saying anything about Vasilisa's fiancé being a bad person. Alexander tells Vasilisa that Egor is not who she thinks he is (and he's right) but all Egor says about Vasilisa's fiancé is that he wasn't worthy of her, likely because he was just a peasant and he views both Vasilisa and himself as being better than that (e.g. his mocking desccription of Vasilisa wanting to just be a peasant and get married, instead of being a powerful koldun). Egor clearly believes he was doing Vasilisa a favor and elevating her above the normal village people.
Regarding the OP, I didn't push Egor or Alexander in, and didn't want to die by jumping in so I chucked the book.
I kind of thought that as well about Egor planning to sacrifice Vasilisa, but then I remembered Alexander mentioning being kept prisoner inside Egor's izba and having a hard time getting out. Given all that Egor feels that he did for Vasilisa, regardless of how much of that is clearly rationalizing his terrible actions, I don't think he would have killed her to break the seal; rather, I think he hoped Vasilisa would kill Alexander or he had been thinking of killing Alexander himself to break the seal.
Egor also tells Vasilisa to give him the book because it isn't an easy thing to break the last seal, and she should let him do it since he is old and beyond forgiveness. This implies he wants to spare her soul the stain of killing to break the seal, which seems an odd way to behave if he had intended to kill her. Of course, he could have been lying, or rationalizing some more, but when she says she forgives him, he proceeds to tell her that he killed her fiancé. so it seems unlikely he was lying.
I think Vasilisa's degree of selfishness depends on how she is played by individual players. If she freely - or at least grudgingly - curses people with chorts and doesn't go out of her way to help others (saving the rusalka, saving the various transformed wedding guests, all the optional tasks) then yeah, definitely rather selfish. If, on the other hand, she is played as I did - never cursed anyone and took all the brunt of the chort debuffs, did all of the optional things to help people, used an all-white deck the back half of the game, and never even incurred 1 point of sin - well, in that case, it feels like she is taking the cost of the black book and being a koldun onto herself instead of pushing it off on others and makes her substantially less selfish, in my eyes anyway.
Granted, it's still rather narrow to only want to use the power of a wish to give you the one thing you want, but she also went through a lot and did a lot of hard work to get to that point. Me, I'm annoyed there is no achievement for 0 sin or for never using your chorts on anything but meaningless tasks. That was not easy in the first few chapters.