Scryer Trials are Cancer

[Wolfenacht]

I get what you were trying to do... but you need to remove the RNGJesus aspect of these then.
It's frustrating knowing some of these "harder" trials farther down the line have to be completed in a very, very specific way.... but when you are getting shafted by RNGjesus and hitting all low shots and zero additional turns, you will literally play the same moves/trial 20 times until you just get the right luck.
Please fix these...they are driving me insane.

[redwitch]

hmm.. I have done two of them, and while the first one was doable, the second one was a nightmare, I don't know anymore how many times I tried but I do remember that luck was an important factor: In one of my trials I lost just because the game decided to gave the last remaining void giant 3 crits in a row, killing my last ghosts. One of the main factors is the result of the use of the madness scroll, which is obviously meant to be used on the giants to turn them against the archers: One time just 3 archers got killed, the next time the giants got a crit and killed all of them. I found that battle tedious and extremely annoying to play.
Imho, it's just a game after all, which should be fun in the first place, and not a study object to repeat x times until the way to succeed is learnt.

[Stepfan]

Scrier trials are not that hard but since morale and critical can trigger. It is not 100%. As it should be. You want a battle you win easy and drop a game breaking item! NO! You need to suffer for the item on that part I agree with devs. I don't agree the part with how broken the items are 2 such items and you win pretty much any battle, the artifacts need a nerf.

[redwitch]

Originally posted by Stepfan:

Scrier trials are not that hard but since morale and critical can trigger. It is not 100%. As it should be. You want a battle you win easy and drop a game breaking item! NO! You need to suffer for the item on that part I agree with devs. I don't agree the part with how broken the items are 2 such items and you win pretty much any battle, the artifacts need a nerf.

nonsense, I don't mind your masochistic tendencies but stop forcing your attitide upon others. A game should be fun not a torture chamber. If the game had some difficulty settings I would have lowered them just to get through that crap.

[Wolfenacht]

Originally posted by UnluckyNoob:

It do not require any luck, just tiny bit experience in tactical games.

1. Wait.
2. Kite.
3. Kill most dangerous/most fragile enemies first.
4. Attack single enemy using several units.

No... it really doesen't.... haha..
You know how I know?
They have to be specifically in a certain form. I can follow EXACTLY what someone does in a video, step by step and fail 20 times in a row, because I wasn't lucky enough to get the "additional turn" on the right unit at the right time.
So no, it's not just tactical gaming. I do perfectly fine and literally never lose on any of the normal battles because I choose my units and strategy. The Scryers are a form of a puzzle, but if you happen to get unlucky with getting hit with a crit, or not gritting, or the enemy getting an additional turn... then you can do nothing about it except restart.
So please don't come back with a "Get gud" kind of response. You can't "kite" most of these fights with any of your units. There isn't the room on the battle field, nor can you escape the constant spells being thrown by the enemy commander... you don't just get to run around untouched.

[Ido Panski]

I totally disagree I think it is one of the Best things in the Game
the only actual Battle you need to think on what to do

there was 1 or 2 that were meh and required cheap hacks
but all in all I enjoyed them ALOT

[Wolfenacht]

Originally posted by redwitch:

Originally posted by Stepfan:

Scrier trials are not that hard but since morale and critical can trigger. It is not 100%. As it should be. You want a battle you win easy and drop a game breaking item! NO! You need to suffer for the item on that part I agree with devs. I don't agree the part with how broken the items are 2 such items and you win pretty much any battle, the artifacts need a nerf.

nonsense, I don't mind your masochistic tendencies but stop forcing your attitide upon others. A game should be fun not a torture chamber. If the game had some difficulty settings I would have lowered them just to get through that crap.

Correct and thanks for stating that. I really think the other guy never played the scryers trials, or at least any of the later ones.

[Stepfan]

Originally posted by redwitch:

Originally posted by Stepfan:

Scrier trials are not that hard but since morale and critical can trigger. It is not 100%. As it should be. You want a battle you win easy and drop a game breaking item! NO! You need to suffer for the item on that part I agree with devs. I don't agree the part with how broken the items are 2 such items and you win pretty much any battle, the artifacts need a nerf.

nonsense, I don't mind your masochistic tendencies but stop forcing your attitide upon others. A game should be fun not a torture chamber. If the game had some difficulty settings I would have lowered them just to get through that crap.

Well I do play and finish a lot of games on hardest difficulty that is true but not all the times. The quest is optional you can choose NOT to do it. The point of the trials is to teach you to use abilities. One trial Morane for example you need to use madness and plague to get an enemy stack to kill another enemy stack of archers. In another you need to spawn bears to soak damage while celestial fighters and mages kill one enemy stack after another, and so on. I had fun with trials if you did not you can avoid them. They are optional no need to be so angry about it!

[redwitch]

Originally posted by Stepfan:

Well I do play and finish a lot of games on hardest difficulty that is true but not all the times. The quest is optional you can choose NOT to do it. The point of the trials is to teach you to use abilities. One trial Morane for example you need to use madness and plague to get an enemy stack to kill another enemy stack of archers. In another you need to spawn bears to soak damage while celestial fighters and mages kill one enemy stack after another, and so on. I had fun with trials if you did not you can avoid them. They are optional no need to be so angry about it!

I doubt that the purpose of those so called trials is to teach anything to the player, at least not specifically, if it were so it would be extremely poor design. If I want someone to learn something I don't present him with an object so difficult that it requires him to repeat it x times, unless you like torturing him. If you get lucky you manage to win it the first time, if not repeat it until you get lucky. In the second trial i.e. the use of the madness scroll is so obvious I don't know what learning effect you're talking about. The devs would seem to have thought it so hard for the player to grasp that extremely simple concept that they had to create a so difficult battle for the player to repeat until he gets the stuff right.

[Wolfenacht]

My issue with this... is it's not hard and trying new things. It's literally the same play by play over and over again until you hit thee right luck on crits.
So how is it fun.. to play the same moves over and over again, for 20 battles, to finally get this part we have to "suffer" for?
I don't mind hard, I hate monotonous

[Jo]

You don't need crits or 2nd turn thanks to morale. Once you got the approach right, you win by and large.

[Wolfenacht]

Originally posted by Smrg:

Originally posted by Aya Eternal:

I tried to play the Amok Trial and I watched a russian video (I dont understand a word russian) and tried to see what he does and I did place one unit on a wrong field just next to the field where the player in the video placed it and it totally ♥♥♥♥♥♥ my try. I couldnt win anymore. Thats not fun and I didnt learn anything. Just that I must play exactly like that other player.

You aren’t learning anything because you’re running to YouTube to watch someone else do it instead of learning the fight yourself to learn your units, enemy units, spells, movement. You’re trying to cheat and take the easy way and then complaining about it. There are multiple different ways to beat each one without luck/RNG.

It’s like taking a multiple choice test and saying “you gotta get lucky and guess right” instead of studying for the test.

DUde... have you played any of these? There is literally... LITERALLY limited moves you can do things in. This isn't a "Play your way" This is a puzzle. This puzzle has to be done this way in order ot beat it. You can't go "out of thee box" so don't toss that "You run to youtube" crap at me... Jesus the ignorance on this thread....
It's like a cheess board with each side having 6 piecees pre set to a specific spot on the board and then coming over to tell me how I am not learning anything about the enormal chess game.. It's meant to be played in a speecific way.. that's the point... but if that also requires crits... then yeah.
How about you go to the Darkneess Mistress scryer mission and tell me 5 differeent ways you can do that mission. Hell, 2 different ways.
I'm waiting. I bet you it's only on spcific way to beat htat mission... cause that's how it is designed... so GTFO with that whole "I like a challengee and you arne't learning anything" elitism

[Wolfenacht]

Originally posted by Jo:

You don't need crits or 2nd turn thanks to morale. Once you got the approach right, you win by and large.

That's what I thought, but maybe since most of these are eanarchy and I don't have any skills in that... if it's messing with me? But I have to run the exact same moves, most of the time 5-9 times to finally beat the mission. I have always been unlucky though in terms of RNG.
The early scryer missions? Easy, the ones later on/towards the end... very little wiggle room.

[Xerkics]

Most early game trials are 10 times harder than all the end game boss fights . If the trials are meant to prepare you to fight the end boss they don’t they just frustrate people. Trials are by far the least well executed sport of the game .

[sandman25dcsss]

Originally posted by Izunyami:

But 5k experience + powerful items is not something you can just ignore either. Someone needs to make a mod that auto-completes the battles at least.

They don't give XP (I checked). I hope for the mod too. It is not fun at all in second run.

[Stepfan]

Originally posted by Xerkics:

Most early game trials are 10 times harder than all the end game boss fights . If the trials are meant to prepare you to fight the end boss they don’t they just frustrate people. Trials are by far the least well executed sport of the game .

Trials are meant to help you learn to play this game not another. Some trials not all of them. Some revolve around using dragon abilities, if don't use the abilities you loose.
It teaches and forces you to use such abilities to win.
I have not reached the end yet but fights are boring and easy only challenge is in trials.