Has 7 eternal heart level ups ever gotten anyone access to flgiht?

[sawbladex]

While running a succesffi; hard mode samson with spirit of night, the mulligan, and 3 familiers, and the wafer (a not great early game item, but a really sweet late ga,\me begger pull), I noticed that I have gotten the eternal life achivement, which apperently makes your character a bright white, and gives fight.

Has anyone ever gotten flight from 7 eternal heart level ups? That seems really hard to do, particurly given how many sources of flight there is, and the power of being able to avoid terrian.

[sawbladex]

And then the next hard mode run I do after asking the question (with a Judas hard mode with cat) Cain hard mode run, I get 7 heart upgrades by second level of the womb and this is the only source of flight I get. (Which is good, because eternal enemies spam a lot of creep.) Xray Glasses, map, number one, and a large amount of damage/range upgrades does it (early on eternal lust gives me a free rock upgrade, due to her destroying a tinted rok.. Lucky Foot is really good (better slot results and no negative pills), and I get a crystal ball, which is nice for items rbrm after the map revel becomes moot. (I don't encounter curse of darkness after I get the ball, and a shop bought map and challenge room compass means I have full map reveal anyway) Flight plus teleport cards means free curse room usage!

Also, I see why full health items are weakened in hard mode.

It's trival to get 7+ heart containers in post It Lives.

[ɹǝǝpᴉnbS™]

Yea I had this happen on my first run on this game in about two years, Works best with Cain due to his increased luck stat. Average number of eternal hearts I had dropping per floor was about 1.3.

Admittedly I wasn't aware that you could be awarded a flight power-up for amassing seven heart containers, It was a nice additional going into the Catherdral/Chest though.

[sawbladex]

Can't argue with flight.

Just beat eternal satan with Cain (because stat up pills being a given is nice) without natural flight, but I did use pinking shears as a activated flight more than once, before going into cyrstal ball. the one big eye shot, and tears up pills for days meant that I did decent damage, and I got a demon baby and little chubby (the attack maggot)

Still would have liked natural flight to avoid a bunch of creep damage. It came down to the last half a heart. I feel like eternal satan (as is eternal mom) is easier then normal satan, because spawning bosses who mess around a bit isn't as good as spawning normal monsters who rush you instantly. At least eternal it lives is harder than normal heart, and eternal isaac is roughly the same.

[sawbladex]

And I got flight through eternal hearts again. Just in time for the Catherdal(sic) (So not good for items, but it did allow me to ignore all terrian in my head.

Just did hard mode eve. ... who is probably the second hardest character to beat hard mode with, just because she has terrible damage scaling.

It's really hard to go into babylon mode, and that general requires that you either have a guppies paw or give up on the hard mode eternal hearts. (which lets you take more deals with the devil)

Managed to get an early demon baby, big mushroom, and pentagram, which made me do good damage, and then got a little chubby. and got 2 flies and a meat cube for blocking.

I actually gave up a book of revalations in the Catherdal because I needed extra damage, and there was a library with the devil book.

[sawbladex]

And the game just handed me a win with ???, due to giving me an early relic, a floor 2 spirit of the night, and an early rock and goat's hoof for speed into lots of damage ups and tear ups. Ended up with a curved horn after completing guppy with devil deals, curse rooms, womb 1 fallen dropping a mark and a womb 1 deal for dead cat to finish guppy. abanding some 15 soul hearts. I had gotten a prayer card at this point (thanks divine challenge room!), so I was pretty sure I can get past 10+ hearts pretty easily, and the rest of the game, I always had at least that amount. (also got a habit)

Fly damage is real! (Is it not ... scaled in hard mode?)

Ironically, the last run I almost won was lost because I got a dead cat in the second to last level and isaac took all of my lives.

[chaosreborn]

collecting 7+ heart containers via eternal hearts also grants you damage up by the looks of it it might maximise damage, as I went from 2 ticks of damage to max with maggy if it wasn't for the damage up and flight from it I wouldn't have survived also I always seem to get 7+ hearts containers everytime i win in hard mode, in fact everytime I end up capping at 16 hearts and getting tonnes more in soul hearts from eternal hearts.

[sawbladex]

Do you have any before and after damage measurements?

[chaosreborn]

Well my maggy had only her base starting attack, she took forever to kill a lot of enemies especially eternal ones, but afterwards she was killing mini bosses in a matter of seconds.
If it was'nt for the sheer damage up I don't think I would have survived with maggy, samson or eve although I believe I might of picked up some damage upgrades with eve and samson prior to it, still it is essential to have the damage increase for eternal issac/??? of which you are forced to fight the eternal forms of due to their severe health up over the originals, but if you have enough range those fights can actually be a little easier than their normal counter parts because of the constant teleportation giving you distance from the tears they fire which inevitably hit the floor most of the time.

[sawbladex]

So she would one hit angel babies?

[chaosreborn]

as far as I recall she would 2 hit normal angel babies which I like to refer to as "banshees" lol.
you have to remember there is a cap on damage so I believe it ups your attack to the cap although as someone stated you attack is decreased in hard mode, but I don't know if the cap is decreased as well.
And I don't believe the curved horn can put you over your cap either like some other trinkets like cancer apparently can, unfortunately I kind of broke my mouse out of anger at the annoying range I was getting with ???, I had loads of spirit hearts until I picked up the mitre and the relic then all of a sudden I was getting tonnes of red hearts instead and so I died despite doing really well and thusly I can't play for a while until I get another mouse.

[sawbladex]

The pause screen lies when it implies that there is a cap on your damage stat.

You just get decreasing returns (which get more ramped up in hard mode)

So it sounds like you went from 3.5 damage to 12.5 to 24.9 damage to explain two hits on angel babies. (I think they have 25 health)

Given the decreasing returns, I can't determine how much that actually increases you damage stat. but maxed out pause screen stats matches up with 12.5 damage. assuming that it didn't change between this and rebirth.

[chaosreborn]

I new about the pause menu not being accurate as can be seen when you use samson and you clear a room full of enemies it goes from his base to max, which makes me wonder why everyone hates the bloody lust.
And I was also aware of the decreasing returns however I thought I recalled somone say that there was a hard cap on attack as I've never seen any increase after a certain point either, having a hard cap for the other stats would definitely make sense since there would be no use beyond a certain point.

[sawbladex]

tears has a hard cap of about twice as fast as base Isaac stats, which cancer can help you surpass to about quad speed.

Player speed has a limit of 2 which goat hoof can break, while shot speed doesn't. Assuming that rebrith uses that same stat screen in pause, both stats use the same range of values to map out, hence you can.

Range has no hard cap, but increases aren't noticable after a few upgrades.