VR Support

[{DEV}SoggyCow✅]

Dev told me on a livestream there are no plans. Would be cool though for discussion. I own a Quest 2, anybody else want this? I'd pay $30 for the upgrade.

The argument is, theres not enough people using VR, but if you check the steam charts, the amount of VR users is skyrocketing because of affordability a being compact now.

[skyrimer]

Everspace 2 VR mod incoming

Looks like the upcoming UE4VR mod (a mod that makes tons of UE4 games VR compatible) works pretty well already with Everspace 2, so surely it can be tweaked to be really close to a full VR version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgOYQZF1jCA&ab_channel=WaifuEnjoyer

Tons of UE4VR vids in that channel if you want to learn more, it even supports full 3DOF motion controls for first person games, it's not my channel so I can' really answer many questions, you can learn more on FLATVR discord if interested.

[MowTin]

Nguyên văn bởi Waifu_Enjoyer:

Nguyên văn bởi Urguhart:

Ok, and wtf is UE injector? Where can I download it?

Currently not publicly available, but on release will be free and open source. It is a universal unreal engine VR injector that turns on VR native rendering at an engine level. Should work from most UE4 and UE5 games from 2016 onwards. My channel has some test footage of lots of games and the latest updates can be found on the flat2VR twitter or discord.

Can you get access to the vr injector if you join paydog's group?

[Maichevsky]

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG :D

[Eckman Jones]

Nguyên văn bởi The Fabulous Slayer:

Nguyên văn bởi brotherofbuff:

awesome, too bad the developers hate VR users.

No one owes you anything. If you want to sponsor a development of VR mode for a game, when devs likely did the math and realized, that it's not profitable - you're welcome. Being a prick and demanding a mode, when you were explicitely told "no", doesn't make developers bad, when they tell you to basically ♥♥♥♥ off. When you push someone and then they push back - you are to blame, not the other person. Touch some grass and figure out how the world works.

As for the topic:
The mod looks awesome, will definitely try it when it's out.

Your response was completely out of line. I don't think they hate vr users they're just not going to do it. It would cause some prospective buyers to skip over it because of the vr tag.

[TΞSTOSTΞROWNLOL]

Nguyên văn bởi Decadent:

This looks fantastic !!
I would be interested to know what the developers of the game think of this ?
Fixing these minor issues so it works perfectly with the injector would be a nice gesture.

Devs already said VR is a dead end for everspace, citing only 5% of total player base using VR for this game*.

[ErikMalkavian]

Nguyên văn bởi The Fabulous Slayer:

Nguyên văn bởi brotherofbuff:

awesome, too bad the developers hate VR users.

..........when devs likely did the math and realized, that it's not profitable - you're welcome. Being a prick and demanding a mode, when you were explicitely told "no", doesn't make developers bad, when they tell you to basically ♥♥♥♥ off. When you push someone and then they push back - you are to blame, not the other person. Touch some grass and figure out how the world works.

As for the topic:
The mod looks awesome, will definitely try it when it's out.

Who ♥♥♥♥♥♥' if the Developers Don't owe you anything?? Seems like the Developers could Port this to VR AS A SHOW OF GOOD FAITH! Also, be able to sell more copies of the Game as WELL!

[Notoshy]

Nguyên văn bởi ErikMalkavian:

Who ♥♥♥♥♥♥' if the Developers Don't owe you anything?? Seems like the Developers could Port this to VR AS A SHOW OF GOOD FAITH! Also, be able to sell more copies of the Game as WELL!

Sorry, but that "they could sell more" aspect was already repeated countless times. The Devs will NOT turn Everspace 2 into a VR Game. They made this VERY clear.
Asking for it over and over again, especially with such an attitude, will only cause one thing: This and similiar Threads will be closed.

[Potentiality12]

Nguyên văn bởi brotherofbuff:

awesome, too bad the developers hate VR users.

What gives you that idea?

Anyway, you already declared that nothing can beat a completely different type of game, so why you're spreading negativity here I don't know.

Oh, and please learn how to form complete sentences in English without turning them into run-on sentences (if they are complete sentences, connected as one) or "word salad phrases". I've said that everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt (as do you), but you're mostly negative most of the time, friend, and I'd like to ask you to please be more positive, particularly when you're in a forum for a game which, in your opinion, is severely deficient when compared to the awesomeness of your preferred game series.

What you said a couple of months ago:

Nguyên văn bởi brotherofbuff:

Nothing compares to how awesome this game series [Age of Barbarians Chronicles] is. Even with its bugs it gives that 80s grimy feel to the game. Makes it feel like B quality Death Stalker movie people tell you not too watch but its so good

Thank you!

[Bozobub]

I hardly care about VR (as it doesn't work well with my vision AND it makes me a bit ill), but kudos to the devfor making such a widely-applicable tool.

That said, NO, not adding VR doesn't mean ES2 devs "hate VR users", or any other such silliness. Rather, it means:

• The economics simply aren't there, as a small dev.. VR enthusiasts make up roughly 5% of Steam users, and this panned out pretty similarly for ES1. You cannot compare an enthusiast's/hobbyist's time and costs, to a dev that has to *pay labor and other bills* to do the same work.
  
  
• The devs' previous efforts in ES1 met mixed reviews, at best, by VR users.
  
  
• VR users have often been... unwise... in their approach here, on the Steam forums. Just one example here:
  

  Nguyên văn bởi brotherofbuff:

  When did i demand the mode? I just read in the discussions years ago the developer didn't make a VR option cause they didn't like VR users. Developers can make any type of game they want. I have plenty of non VR games I enjoy completely.
  
  Why get so upset that I just pointed out what the developers said. Maybe your part of the PR team and get a cut in crushing any criticism.

  
  That's not what the devs actually said. What they REALLY said was, in short, that VR was already a marginal bet for them anyway, and they weren't going to tolerate abuse from users whom didn't want to wait for VR. Yes, that was the reason the VR community here was so very upset, at the time; tthey would have had to wait a bit, cuz small dev is small. And what was the result? An endless stream of pustulent, vile, abusuive behavior. The thread is still there, so there's no point in denying it.

How's that working out for the VR community? Yeah -.-' .

Marinate on this for a moment: How would YOU react to people behaving so inappropriately, that are also *only a tiny part of your bottom line*? Devs are human too, and yes, your actions can (and often do) have consequences. We would already have *native* VR for ES2, if an entitled few hadn't pretty much lost their feces over a small matter.

[Waifu_Enjoyer]

Playing it with UEVR shows how little effort it would actually take. Only a few shaders to fix and the UI. Probably take one dev a week at most. UEVR just turns on the native stereo rendering pipeline you can do in the engine editor anyway.

[Bozobub]

So, you minimize the work of the dev(s) of this tool as "little effort", eh?

Think about what you are implying here.

[Waifu_Enjoyer]

Nguyên văn bởi Bozobub:

So, you minimize the work of the dev(s) of this tool as "little effort", eh?

Think about what you are implying here.

Yes I understand, I’m literally playing the result of just adding a native stereo camera in the editor. The amount of issues with shaders and the UI really is minimal.

Adding this support in when you actually have the project file in UE compared to us reverse engineering it in is pretty different. Imagine the reality is the devs who worked on VR support for the first game have left and everyone else has no knowledge of VR or the kinds of people that have some old bias against it.

Wouldn’t be surprised if someone makes a plugin for UEVR to fix the UI relatively soon after launch. You can bypass the issues with shaders by using a synched sequential rendering method which isn’t so bad as well to make it even quicker.

[Bozobub]

And all of this takes *time*, and thus money, for a developer.

Yes, really. Time is possibly even more important than money; they're also on a rather tight schedule for release. Investor money doesn't last forever, and most investors *require* a solid plan, and sticking to that plan. VR was already an "extra", when it was still planned on, and now that moment has *literally* passed.

Little hint: When was this tool released? Now think on when ES2 was started; hmmmmmmmmmmm... Funny, how this tool came out *years* later, isn't it?

Here we are again, with VR enthusiasts taking careful aim, and briskly blowing their own toes off, one by one. It didn't work out well last time, and it almost certainly won't this time. You could say many, if not most of the same things, without sabotaging yourselves, but apparently that's too big an ask.

THIS IS NOT HOW YOU GET WHAT YOU WANT FROM A DEV. Or, in fact, most human beings. Once again, we'd already have *native* VR, if the VR crowd hadn't decided freaking out and piddling on the devs' boots was the way to go.

[Ragnarok]

Nguyên văn bởi Bozobub:

And all of this takes *time*, and thus money, for a developer.

Yes, really. Time is possibly even more important than money; they're also on a rather tight schedule for release. Investor money doesn't last forever, and most investors *require* a solid plan, and sticking to that plan. VR was already an "extra", when it was still planned on, and now that moment has *literally* passed.

Little hint: When was this tool released? Now think on when ES2 was started; hmmmmmmmmmmm... Funny, how this tool came out *years* later, isn't it?

Here we are again, with VR enthusiasts taking careful aim, and briskly blowing their own toes off, one by one. It didn't work out well last time, and it almost certainly won't this time. You could say many, if not most of the same things, without sabotaging yourselves, but apparently that's too big an ask.

THIS IS NOT HOW YOU GET WHAT YOU WANT FROM A DEV. Or, in fact, most human beings. Once again, we'd already have *native* VR, if the VR crowd hadn't decided freaking out and piddling on the devs' boots was the way to go.

I read all your post's in Hive's voice and for some reason it just makes sense...

It's sad to see people flaming small indie devs, especially rare gems like Rockfish. I think it's a combination of AAA Titles being continue letdowns and over monetization for less than what we used to get "back n the good ol days" that's partially to blame (for these inane outbursts *edit*). The overpopulation of "Infant Adults" seems to have become an issue in its own right.

[leilanilad]

Nguyên văn bởi Yes Indeed!:

There are already multiple threads on this.

🌈 No. 🌈

Ah, the nomenclative irony...