Awesome story but the huge plot hole bothers me...

[E123]

I really like this game. I've never imagined that I'd be praising the 'adult' story for the plot. The only reason I've even decided to check it out is due to the "masterpiece" level rating.

Obviously, spoilers below...

I general, most of the plot lines, discounting implausible scenarios to the fun factor and satirical nature of the story, are logical within its own "universe". However, there is a glaring inconsistency in the MC behaviour.

Doesn't matter the ♥♥♥ score the MC is shown as an empathetic person, who stands for his friends and cares about his GFs. You cannot really roleplay a total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, the ♥♥♥ score is pretty much how hard-ass and lewd MC is. But then comes the part where Maya tells him about the "free tuition" and the tasks she needs to perform for the "scavenging hunt". MC knows that Quinn runs the prostitution business (she tells him about it right in the beginning) in the sorority and most of the HOT girls are essentially prostitutes. Out of these facts it becomes obvious, that Quinn pretty much created the task list to recruit more prostitutes to her brothel, because if the girl agrees to perform such tasks, she'll likely will agree to sell herself for money too. Knowing the task list and knowing that Quinn offers brothel services, MC doesn't tell neither Maya nor Josy about it and cannot add 1 and 1 together. This is especially jarring when MC is on their path (and there is no option to ignore them completely). More than that, MC is totally cool that his GF Josy wants to join essentially a brothel.

Other than that, attention to details in this story is awesome.

[Gh0st Harambe]

Tremolo advises Maya not to trust Quinn, but he does so vaguely and doesn't say what he really knows. The question is if he told her everything about Quinn and her business. Would she really believe him ?

[Broken Piece]

Originally posted by Eyez:

Tremolo advises Maya not to trust Quinn, but he does so vaguely and doesn't say what he really knows. The question is if he told her everything about Quinn and her business. Would she really believe him ?

Noticing how desperate she was, If he didnt say nothing and they dont get close, Maya probably would ended as one Quinn´s girls offered in the restaurant.

[E123]

Originally posted by ダリン:

Noticing how desperate she was, If he didnt say nothing and they dont get close, Maya probably would ended as one Quinn´s girls offered in the restaurant.

That's for sure. Accidentally meeting MC, Maya essentially won the lottery. Nevertheless, MC not mentioning to/warning his friends or GFs that Quinn is running a brothel with HOTs is just seriously weakens the overall great plot of the story.

Originally posted by Eyez:

Tremolo advises Maya not to trust Quinn, but he does so vaguely and doesn't say what he really knows. The question is if he told her everything about Quinn and her business. Would she really believe him ?

Yes, and exactly that bothers me, that he does say that Quinn is evil but doesn't explain why, which would be the most logical thing to do for him.

[Dethlane]

Josy isn't joining a brothel, she's joining a sorority. Brothel is Quinn's personal side project, which has nothing to do with HOTs in general. And there's no way Josy would join it, especially after the bloot Quinn pulled with Maya.

As for MC not doing jack about it, while it's rather bugging, it's understandable since he had a lot on his plate already, first with hell week, then with mansion problems and all other stuff. Hopefully we'll get a chance to do smth about it in season 3 (maybe with Mona's help?).

Originally posted by ダリン:

Originally posted by Eyez:

Tremolo advises Maya not to trust Quinn, but he does so vaguely and doesn't say what he really knows. The question is if he told her everything about Quinn and her business. Would she really believe him ?

Noticing how desperate she was, If he didnt say nothing and they dont get close, Maya probably would ended as one Quinn´s girls offered in the restaurant.

Doubtful, there are limits to what Maya's willing to do, especially when it comes to lewd stuff. Remember that before MC got an option to offer her his aid, she didn't want it and was about to quit. Then Josy came and they managed to repair their relationship and partner up, which played a huge role in Maya doing this stuff as well. Without them Maya would've had a hard time deciding to do all this. Especially given Quinn's beatchy attitude towards her.

I wonder though, does Sage know about Maya's task list and, if not (which is most likely the case, given that other girls didn't have to go past making out), what her reaction would've been.

[ZiffyHead]

Yeah the MC is just flat out dense and clueless when it comes to others.

Maybe he is a bit autistic?

That could explain the natural musical talent.

[lx2013yy]

There's another point that is not logical here: Quinn should have known that Maya is unfit to join the restaurant (even worse than Mona) because Sarah is in the same gender class and knows that Maya is a bona-fide feminist. She even scoffs about Maya at a D I K party in front of Derek. I can't imagine that Sarah would agree to Quinn recruiting Maya, knowing she could put the entire operation in peril.

[R4MPZY]

The HOTs are a sorority, not a brothel, what Quinn is running is. Some of the HOTs are part of it yes, but not all of them.

And choosing either affinity has several subtle changes in MCs dialogue for example

[Moonblade]

I know that is difficult to get for some people, but there are things that the Player knows that the MC doesn't.

Originally posted by E123:

...But then comes the part where Maya tells him about the "free tuition" and the tasks she needs to perform for the "scavenging hunt". MC knows that Quinn runs the prostitution business (she tells him about it right in the beginning) in the sorority and most of the HOT girls are essentially prostitutes...

In the restaurant proposal in Ep 1 Quinn offered the MC to have sex with girls through a glory hole in a restroom stall, he "in theory" shouldn't be able to know who is sucking his ♥♥♥♥ or ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ (be aware that the MC ♥♥♥♥♥ Camila through the glory hole against Quinn's will, what they agreed was a blowjob as well) there so he can't say for sure whether the girls he is having sex with there are HOT sorority members or not, while we as players know.

When he sneaked into the HOT mansion to get the panties he heard Quinn's proposal to Camila but again, what the MC heard there is not conclusive that it means her becoming a prostitute.

Most of the HOTs aren't prostitutes. Heather, Elena, Sage, Ashley, Arieth (while having sex freely, she's not getting paid for it, so she isn't a prostitute either) Josy and Lily (she's a stripper but is not part of the Quinn's restaurant) aren't. The ones part of the Tuition deal are only Quinn, Riona, Sarah, Melanie and Camila. Mona was going to be but bailed at the last minute. So 7 vs 5 is definitely not "most of the HOTs".

When the MC warned Maya about Quinn being evil and that she uses the HOT girls to earn money, his only evidence was the ambiguous talk he overheard when Quinn was talking with Camila, if the MC doesn't partake in the restaurant he can't confirm whether the girls she is offering him are HOTs, if he uses the restaurant, he only is being served through a glory hole without solid evidence who is behind it either.

Originally posted by lx2013yy:

There's another point that is not logical here: Quinn should have known that Maya is unfit to join the restaurant (even worse than Mona) because Sarah is in the same gender class and knows that Maya is a bona-fide feminist. She even scoffs about Maya at a D I K party in front of Derek. I can't imagine that Sarah would agree to Quinn recruiting Maya, knowing she could put the entire operation in peril.

Sarah is a simple "employee" in Quinn's business, Quinn would consider her opinion irrelevant, hell Quinn even dismisses Riona's opinion and she is her business partner. If Maya (feminist or not) would have been able to put her qualms aside and complete the list with no issues, it could have given Quinn evidence that Maya was a candidate for the Restaurant. As the game progresses, Quinn finds that she is not ready so she decided to drop her. Since Maya is oblivious of what was really going on, she decides to complete the list under the belief that once she was in, the Tuition was guaranteed.

[E123]

Originally posted by R4MPZY:

The HOTs are a sorority, not a brothel, what Quinn is running is. Some of the HOTs are part of it yes, but not all of them.

And choosing either affinity has several subtle changes in MCs dialogue for example

It's the sorority where half of the girls are involved in prostitution, out of remaining 4 one is extremely promiscuous and another one is an exhibitionist nymphomaniac (as described to MC by Jacob). I just replayed that place where MC warns Maya that Quinn is evil. It's pretty clear from his statement that MC clearly understands what's going on even if he refuses Quinn's services, but by some strange reason he's vague about it rather than just telling Maya as it is. Later he doesn't warn Josy either and/or update Maya upon getting more incriminating evidence.

Originally posted by lx2013yy:

There's another point that is not logical here: Quinn should have known that Maya is unfit to join the restaurant (even worse than Mona) because Sarah is in the same gender class and knows that Maya is a bona-fide feminist. She even scoffs about Maya at a D I K party in front of Derek. I can't imagine that Sarah would agree to Quinn recruiting Maya, knowing she could put the entire operation in peril.

Actually Maya's circumstances make her very vulnerable to coercion and blackmailing, which makes her a perfect fit for Quinn's operation if she manages to obtain some leverage.

@Moonblade
Your arguments are weak for the following reasons:
1. MC recognises that he's having sex with Camilla, who is a pledge to HOTs.
2. MC overheard the conversation from which it is clear that a girl can become HOT by agreeing to sell herself.
3. He can order Sarah for $$$ and during their conversation Riona and Melanie tell him that they wish to ordered by him too, so he knows that they are in this business.
4. You included pledges in the list of HOTs. They are not in the sorority yet by the time MC needs to warn Maya. Thus, Riona, Quinn, Sarah, and Melanie are prostitutes and Sage, Heather, Elena, and Arieth are not, which by overheard conversation MC knows that Camilla gets early approval by agreeing to be a prostitute. So, it's 50% of current HOT members at that time + pre-approved Camilla, which makes it more than a half by the time when it is important.
5. MC talks with Maya every day and can warn her again at any time, thus, the argument that by the time he warned her he didn't know much doesn't cut it. He could have raised the topic at any time upon getting more evidence.

[R4MPZY]

Why does he have to warn them ? They chose to be part of the HOT sorority, they're not going to be part of Quinns restaurant.

And MC doesnt have any incriminating evidence, its all heavily dependent on PT and player choices, so half the time there is no "evidence" whatsoever.

[E123]

Originally posted by R4MPZY:

Why does he have to warn them ? They chose to be part of the HOT sorority, they're not going to be part of Quinns restaurant.

And MC doesnt have any incriminating evidence, its all heavily dependent on PT and player choices, so half the time there is no "evidence" whatsoever.

Why? You know that's what friends do normally, they warn them of potential danger and bad influence, otherwise they are not friends. And it's especially true, if MC decided that Maya and Josy are his GFs. Considering Maya's vulnerable financial position she's a potential target for exploitation and coercion.

Incriminating evidence are needed for courts, not for friends. Friendship is revolved around trust and care. I'm aware that some people have never experienced a real friendship (when your friend can go very long way to help you without you even asking) in the modern society, but I can assure you that it exists.

[R4MPZY]

Originally posted by E123:

Originally posted by R4MPZY:

Why does he have to warn them ? They chose to be part of the HOT sorority, they're not going to be part of Quinns restaurant.

And MC doesnt have any incriminating evidence, its all heavily dependent on PT and player choices, so half the time there is no "evidence" whatsoever.

Why? You know that's what friends do normally, they warn them of potential danger and bad influence, otherwise they are not friends. And it's especially true, if MC decided that Maya and Josy are his GFs. Considering Maya's vulnerable financial position she's a potential target for exploitation and coercion.

Incriminating evidence are needed for courts, not for friends. Friendship is revolved around trust and care. I'm aware that some people have never experienced a real friendship (when your friend can go very long way to help you without you even asking) in the modern society, but I can assure you that it exists.

He already warned Maya not to trust her. Not sure what else needs to be said.

[Moonblade]

Originally posted by E123:

@Moonblade
Your arguments are weak for the following reasons:
1. MC recognises that he's having sex with Camilla, who is a pledge to HOTs.

That is path dependent, I agree that a MC with that knowledge should have warned Maya but that would mean outing himself

Originally posted by E123:

2. MC overheard the conversation from which it is clear that a girl can become HOT by agreeing to sell herself.

https://imgur.com/a/l6wnOmP

Tell me where in that conversation Quinn tells Camila explicitly that she needs to become a prostitute, could be her asking to model clothes for all that matter, it's the Player who has the knowledge, not the MC.

Originally posted by E123:

3. He can order Sarah for $$$ and during their conversation Riona and Melanie tell him that they wish to ordered by him too, so he knows that they are in this business.

This was AFTER the MC chooses (yes is a choice) to warn Maya (the cumpetition was the day before). Like I explained, DPC allows you to play the MC as an hypocritical jerk, is not a plot hole

Originally posted by E123:

4. You included pledges in the list of HOTs. They are not in the sorority yet by the time MC needs to warn Maya. Thus, Riona, Quinn, Sarah, and Melanie are prostitutes and Sage, Heather, Elena, and Arieth are not, which by overheard conversation MC knows that Camilla gets early approval by agreeing to be a prostitute. So, it's 50% of current HOT members at that time + pre-approved Camilla, which makes it more than a half by the time when it is important.

Elemental math 50% is definitely NOT most of them. If you're allowed to use the pledges in your argument, I am allowed too.

Originally posted by E123:

5. MC talks with Maya every day and can warn her again at any time, thus, the argument that by the time he warned her he didn't know much doesn't cut it. He could have raised the topic at any time upon getting more evidence.

Like I said, you can play the MC as a hypocritical jerk that prefers to hide the truth to Maya and keep ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ around, that's not a plot hole. If you never use the restaurant at all, you have no evidence, if you use it, you will be outing yourself if you tell Maya

You're missing the point that Restaurant <> Tuition, and neither Maya nor the MC can for sure prove the association at that moment. Yes, at some point he learns that some of the HOTs are indeed prostitutes, but the relationship of it with the Tuition is not conclusive. The MC warns Maya about Quinn using the girls to earn money, but at that point the MC can't prove the connection between the Restaurant and the Free Tuition, that is Maya's ultimate goal.

The Restaurant is Quinn/Riona's business ONLY. The tuition agreement comes from Burke wanting to have sex with the students at will (I wouldn't imagine Burke using a gloryhole in the Students Dorms), however, since Quinn is the one providing the girls to Burke, they are also required to serve in her "Restaurant".

Based on what we saw with Mona, almost surely the girls benefiting of the Free Tuition act as Escorts for wealthy men (the "quid pro quo" agreement that is mentioned in the press release Tybalt is showing around in Ep 8)

https://imgur.com/a/NSGSote

[E123]

Originally posted by Moonblade:

Like I explained, DPC allows you to play the MC as an hypocritical jerk, is not a plot hole

This is just false. I tried D.I.K. route and there are no actions that can be considered being a jerk. Irresponsible behaviour: yes, being hard-ass: yes, mischief: yes, but nowhere near being a jerk. MC on maxed D.I.K. score supports his friends, does the pep talk, indulges in altruistic behaviour, and so on. As I mentioned in the other discussion, D.I.K. rating is like "chaotic (D.I.K.) - lawful (CHICK)" rating rather than "good-evil". MC is always good.

Originally posted by Moonblade:

Elemental math 50% is definitely NOT most of them. If you're allowed to use the pledges in your argument, I am allowed too.

So, you're attacking not the argument but the form. Sorry, your neat pick doesn't change anything in the logic. No, you cannot use pledges for counting and yes, we can count Camilla because she's already involved and there's no way she's going to be rejected by Quinn because she's already being exploited and generates income.

Originally posted by Moonblade:

You're missing the point that Restaurant <> Tuition, and neither Maya nor the MC can for sure prove the association at that moment.

I'm not missing a point. It's very easy to connect the dots that prostitution ring somehow connected tuition. MC is not a judge in the court and doesn't have to prove anything formally. A suspicion of such relation alone is enough to raise the alarm.

[Moonblade]

Originally posted by E123:

Originally posted by Moonblade:

Like I explained, DPC allows you to play the MC as an hypocritical jerk, is not a plot hole

This is just false. I tried D.I.K. route and there are no actions that can be considered being a jerk. Irresponsible behaviour: yes, being hard-ass: yes, mischief: yes, but nowhere near being a jerk. MC on maxed D.I.K. score supports his friends, does the pep talk, indulges in altruistic behaviour, and so on. As I mentioned in the other discussion, D.I.K. rating is like "chaotic (D.I.K.) - lawful (CHICK)" rating rather than "good-evil". MC is always good.

Originally posted by Moonblade:

Elemental math 50% is definitely NOT most of them. If you're allowed to use the pledges in your argument, I am allowed too.

So, you're attacking not the argument but the form. Sorry, your neat pick doesn't change anything in the logic. No, you cannot use pledges for counting and yes, we can count Camilla because she's already involved and there's no way she's going to be rejected by Quinn because she's already being exploited and generates income.

Originally posted by Moonblade:

You're missing the point that Restaurant <> Tuition, and neither Maya nor the MC can for sure prove the association at that moment.

I'm not missing a point. It's very easy to connect the dots that prostitution ring somehow connected tuition. MC is not a judge in the court and doesn't have to prove anything formally. A suspicion of such relation alone is enough to raise the alarm.

Imagine the following dialogue between the MC that has paid for the restaurant services and Maya:

MC: "Maya, you need to be careful! Quinn is running a prostitution ring with the HOTs"

Maya: "How can you be so sure?"

MC: "I've been paying some of the HOTs to f u c k them"

Maya: "..."

This is what I meant by "hypocritical", something that it seems you fail to understand.

The "jerk" part comes because every hypocrite is a jerk.

Making that connection between the Tuition and the prostitution ring should not be done lightly, we have the example of Chad, that got an Athletic Scholarship, there is no reason to believe that every B&R scholarship is given to prostitutes.

Finally

Originally posted by E123:

So, you're attacking not the argument but the form. Sorry, your neat pick doesn't change anything in the logic. No, you cannot use pledges for counting and yes, we can count Camilla because she's already involved and there's no way she's going to be rejected by Quinn because she's already being exploited and generates income.

No matter how Quinn makes it looks to Maya, Josy and the MC, at the end, no pledge was going to be rejected (Maya and Josy included), being or not part of the restaurant and regardless whether they had completed the list or not, so your reasoning to differentiate between Camila and the rest of the pledges is flawed.

https://i.imgur.com/zAx9ME9.jpeg

I rest my case.