[Spoiler] Do not read if you haven't played season 1 episode 3. Maya/Josy relationship

[UIE First Citizen]

So can i tell them to ♥♥♥♥ off.
I mean after season 3, i cannot stand maya or josy.
I do not want to be their friend. I want to say them to ♥♥♥♥ off.
But the only options are something more or stay friends.
I can tolerate bad people, idiots etc but i cannot stand betrayal.
So is there a way to tell them to ♥♥♥♥ off.
Or at least can i do this in season 2 ?
Thanks for the info,
Cheers,

[R4MPZY]

Originally posted by Dethlane:

Originally posted by R4MPZY:

I disagree with that, MC was hurt in EP3 as a result of their actions, and Dethlane you can keep denying it as much as you want, but Maya lied, even if it was to protect herself and a small white lie, a lie is a lie lol. Its literally in the dialogue.

We were talking about Maya lying about having a boyfriend. Revelation that there is no boyfriend didn't hurt MC.
Ep3 is another matter, there MC pulled a snowflake and overreacted, not to mention his assumptions (e.g. that Josy has a boyfriend) which took a hefty part in this. Neither Maya nor Josy betrayed him there.
Also do tell me where I deny that Maya lied.

That is a lie though, you can twist and turn it, say its not a big lie or that she came clean, but she did lie. We all know why she said it, although Josy simply stated she's in a relationship which is not a lie and MC simply assumed boyfriend.

Originally posted by Dethlane:

Neither Maya nor Josy lied. Yes, Maya first said that she has a boyfriend, but then she confided in MC that she says it just to keep boys off her

I don't get why its such a big deal either, she lied... so what? MC is a snowflake and ran out during the reveal and eventually, if you so choose ends up with MJ anyway.

Multiple characters in this game lie... Its what people do, even MC lies several times.

[Moonblade]

Originally posted by The Dentist:

Yeah its not a real betrayal, but in a way it did hurt MC though even if it didnt hurt us personally because you know, MC is a snowflake.

As a fellow snowflake myself, I was more emotionally affected by MC's reaction toward M/J than any deceptions by the girls. It was painful to me to punish them for 2 days while trying to get MC's head together.

At that point, depending of how you play the MC, this time of reflection can give a MC not fully interested in them a break to analyze his feelings (or an opportunity to "punish" them, if you accept Sage's advances while they're in the HOT Movie Night) for the other MGs.

If you're into Jill, you had a great date with her in Ep 4 (if you're Neutral/♥♥♥ affinity by then) or into Bella (you had a seriously intimate moment with her in the pool and then in her bathroom) or into Sage (agreed to be her ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥) you had an opportunity to explore other alternatives during that time. "Reconciling" with them next day would have forced the MC into a friendship route, I can't see either they or the MC willing to explore a Throuple without that pause.

There is something hugely important that I found people easily miss and it is only revealed to Maya and Josy during the ♥♥♥ Library scene:

1) Maya is not aware that the MC know Josy from before, in her mind, the MC just met Josy when she introduced her as her Girlfriend the night Josy arrived to her dorm. So she blames herself ALONE of MC's reaction.

2) Josy knows that Maya is a committed Lesbian, she believes that there is no emotional/romantic/sexual connection between the MC and Maya at all, so she blames ONLY herself and not Maya of MC's reaction

They spend Thursday and Friday talking about their own relationship, not the MC role on it, since both considered it wasn't not the right time to discuss it. Only the MC has the whole picture until the revealing during the ♥♥♥ Library scene.

[Dethlane]

Originally posted by R4MPZY:

That is a lie though, you can twist and turn it, say its not a big lie or that she came clean, but she did lie. We all know why she said it, although Josy simply stated she's in a relationship which is not a lie and MC simply assumed boyfriend.

It still didn't hurt MC. Deny it all you want, it changes nothing.

Originally posted by R4MPZY:

Neither Maya nor Josy lied. Yes, Maya first said that she has a boyfriend, but then she confided in MC that she says it just to keep boys off her

Since you forgot, I already explained what I meant:

Originally posted by Dethlane:

Technically yes, it's a lie. But from the spectrum of betrayal (thread theme) lie means betraying one's trust, lying about smth important, which would hurt them to learn. Which is not the case there, since not only it was a minor lie, but also Maya confided in MC later, pretty much negating that lie (not to mention showing him a hefty amount of trust, since it's a sensitive subject to her, and for good reasons).

[R4MPZY]

Originally posted by Dethlane:

Originally posted by R4MPZY:

That is a lie though, you can twist and turn it, say its not a big lie or that she came clean, but she did lie. We all know why she said it, although Josy simply stated she's in a relationship which is not a lie and MC simply assumed boyfriend.

It still didn't hurt MC. Deny it all you want, it changes nothing.

[quote=R4MPZY;3492004456600406474
Since you forgot, I already explained what I meant:

I never said it hurt MC? The EP3 reveal hurt MC. And you don't negate a lie.... Just because she comes clean it doesnt erase she said it in the first place xD

"What is the definition of a person lying?
1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive"

Which is what "i have a boyfriend" is.

[Dethlane]

Originally posted by R4MPZY:

I never said it hurt MC? The EP3 reveal hurt MC

Then why do you keep jumping between MC being hurt in ep3 and Maya's lie about boyfriend in ep1?

Originally posted by R4MPZY:

And you don't negate a lie.... Just because she comes clean it doesnt erase she said it in the first place xD

Lie itself isn't negated, but its effect, with it being a small white lie, is.

Originally posted by R4MPZY:

"What is the definition of a person lying?
1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive"

Which is what "i have a boyfriend" is.

And where do I deny that? I explicitly stated, more than once, that yes, it's a lie. And it neither hurts MC nor makes Maya saying it her betrayal of MC.

[R4MPZY]

Originally posted by Dethlane:

Originally posted by R4MPZY:

I never said it hurt MC? The EP3 reveal hurt MC

Then why do you keep jumping between MC being hurt in ep3 and Maya's lie about boyfriend in ep1?

Originally posted by R4MPZY:

And you don't negate a lie.... Just because she comes clean it doesnt erase she said it in the first place xD

Lie itself isn't negated, but its effect, with it being a small white lie, is.

Originally posted by R4MPZY:

"What is the definition of a person lying?
1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive"

Which is what "i have a boyfriend" is.

And where do I deny that? I explicitly stated, more than once, that yes, it's a lie. And it neither hurts MC nor makes Maya saying it her betrayal of MC.

Ok yeah, so the hurt MC part is about the EP3 reveal, which i brought in because of the whole situation at the end of EP3 which resulted as a culmination of all the lies/secrets and halftruths as per topic title. MC was hurt in that moment and left,

For the lie, that was what i originally commented on as on page 1 they said Maya nor Josy ever lied, which Maya did.

But i don't share the "betrayal" statement, they did not betray the MC, if anything they betrayed eachother ( by cheating if you chose to pursue that with MC ) but made up because the MC left them alone by storming out xD

[Moonblade]

While still Maya and Josy are your "friends", Season 2 gives you multiple possibilities to be mean to them so you can enact your petty revenge:

Ep 5:
a) Rooster post of Josy in yellow dress: Answer Quinn
b) When Josy asks for your help with her dad: Don't help her (it also saves you the solo scenes with either of them)
c) When Derek asks, tell him that you have no feelings for either of them

Ep 6:
a) Flirt with Becky
b) Don't compliment Josy in Math class
c) Lunch with Sage and Quinn
d) Don't give Cathy a low five during the DnG game

Ep 7:
a) Choose rude answers to Patrick's inquiries
b) Don't console Maya after Patrick left (even if is not locked by ♥♥♥ affinity)
c) Tell Josy that is bad if she doesn't move out (with ♥♥♥ affinity)
d) Library, after greeting Maya, just leave instead of staying for a while
e) Stay home, or go to Quinn (if available) after the elderly home
f) If you choose to visit the HOTs and Josy instead, tell Lily that you like her more than Josy when Lily asks if you think Josy is hot.

Ep 8:
a) Don't exercise with Josy at the Gym
b) During the Pink Rose visit take a picture with all the girls


These are a few options for you, welcome to Incel paradise

[Viperswhip]

Josy lied though, you said boyfriend to her many times and she never corrected you, which implied that she had a boyfriend. Now, I don't care about this, but it was a lie. As far as it being a snowlfake reaction? Maybe? For me, I was interested in Josy, and when this happened I started laughing. I don't know how I would have acted in real life, but I wouldn't have slept with a lady who said she was in a relationship either so, whatever.

[Dethlane]

Originally posted by Viperswhip:

Josy lied though, you said boyfriend to her many times and she never corrected you, which implied that she had a boyfriend. Now, I don't care about this, but it was a lie.

She changes subject instantly, which means that it's sensitive for her and she isn't comfortable discussing it. Which implies that there's smth more going on than just a boyfriend. And either way it's still not a lie.

[R4MPZY]

Originally posted by Viperswhip:

Josy lied though, you said boyfriend to her many times and she never corrected you, which implied that she had a boyfriend. Now, I don't care about this, but it was a lie. As far as it being a snowlfake reaction? Maybe? For me, I was interested in Josy, and when this happened I started laughing. I don't know how I would have acted in real life, but I wouldn't have slept with a lady who said she was in a relationship either so, whatever.

She never said she had a boyfriend though, she said she was in a relationship and the MC assumed a boyfriend... Is her not correcting it a lie? I don't think so since she never said it herself.

[davidbuehler]

Originally posted by UIE First Citizen:

Originally posted by Viperswhip:

Betrayed how? The major time I did was at the stupid rebound guy discussion with Sage. If you mean Josy and Maya being in a relationship, not really, but I am not attracted to Maya at all, so maybe that's why.

I mean Josy saying I am atracted to you and then showing you the middle finger. Saying, basically, all I said to you was a lie.I mean everything she said to you in episode 1 was a not true. Why she even told you that. I mean Quinn is ♥♥♥♥♥ from the start. I mean Josy sounds worse. I mean her actions. Like dante wrote Nine circle of hell is reserved of betrayers. betrayers of friends, betrayers of family.

I guess you're stating that you've never been attracted to more than one person? When I was married I was attracted to other women but I stayed with my wife. At least until things didn't work out. No, I didn't kiss anyone while married but I did end up in two relationships (only one sexual) before that and had to choose just one. A bird in the hand....

[davidbuehler]

I agree with R4MPZY. The two ladies I dated didn't know about the other. Is omission a lie?

[davidbuehler]

Originally posted by Dethlane:

Originally posted by Viperswhip:

Josy lied though, you said boyfriend to her many times and she never corrected you, which implied that she had a boyfriend. Now, I don't care about this, but it was a lie.

She changes subject instantly, which means that it's sensitive for her and she isn't comfortable discussing it. Which implies that there's smth more going on than just a boyfriend. And either way it's still not a lie.

Also, she doesn't know if MC has the same bigoted views as Maya's father and she is still in the process of knowing MC better to see if he is "friend/lover" material since her relationship is in a rocky period that hasn't been resolved when she became attracted to MC. She is keeping MC as a possible alternative if it doesn't work out. Seems a natural position to me.
Why burn bridges if you don't have to. Relationships are complicated not simple.

[R4MPZY]

Originally posted by davidbuehler:

I agree with R4MPZY. The two ladies I dated didn't know about the other. Is omission a lie?

I'm assuming you were refering to MC and M&J ingame with the 2 ladies who don't know about the other? If so, Maya kinda does, well not who, but she knows MC goes home on a date.