Vauban - Wonders Balance adjustment

[Daarkarr0w]

Hey everyone, we wanted to share with you the balance changes (changes or additions are underlined) on the Wonders we have planned for the next Update, Vauban HERE you can find out the key elements that will be part of the update.

As a reminder, there is a beta branch you can play to try the changes of the wonders.

Temple of Artemis

+40 Stability
+20 Faith
+10 Health regen on Units
Exotic : Your Units ignore movement penalties from Forests
Synergy: +4 Faith per adjacent Quarter"
+2CS on Ranged Units

Stonehenge

+20 Food per Coreligionist State
+10 Stability per Coreligionist State
+40 Stability
+20 Faith
+5 Stability on Coreligionist State Capital
+5% Food on Coreligionist State Capital

Statue of Zeus

+40 Stability
+20 Faith
+5% Money per Alliance on Empire
+15 Stability on City or Outpost
Synergy: +5 Money per adjacent Market Quarter

Colossus of Rhodes

Exotic: Militia are not lost over time during Sieges
+20 Stability
+50% Militia Units spawned when City is under Siege
+2CS on Militia
Synergy: +15 Industry per adjacent Harbour

Mausoleum at Halicarnassus

+20 Stability
+2 Science per District on City or Outpost
Synergy: +2 Influence per adjacent District

Lady Mary of Zion

+5 Faith per enacted Civic
+40 Stability
+20 Faith
+5 Influence on Religious District on all cities
Synergy: +5 Faith per adjacent District

Pyramid of the Sun // (Cultures of Latin America)

+40 Stability
+20 Faith
+2 Food on this Territory's Districts and exploitations
Synergy: +4 food per adjacent Farmer Quarter

Forbidden City

+25 War Support increased when going to war
+20 Stability
-10 War support threshold on surprise war
-20 War support threshold on formal war
Synergy: +5 stability per adjacent District

Todaiji

+40 Stability
+20 Faith
+20% turns before being converted by other's Religion on City or Outpost
+1 Industry per State Religion Follower in the City is built
Synergy: +5 Faith per adjacent Forest or Rocky Forest

Notre Dame de Paris

+1 Faith per technology researched
+40 Stability
+20 Faith
+8 Science per adjacent Research Quarter

Great Mosque of Djenne // (Cultures of Africa)

+40 Stability
+20 Faith
+5% Additional Fame gain bonus multiplier on Empire
Exotic: Unlocks repeatable ""Crépissage"" on City with the Wonder
Synergy: +4 Industry per adjacent Quarter

Topkapi Palace

+20 Stability
+5% Industry on City or Outpost
+100% Production (on City or Outpost) toward any Shared Project (National Project, Holy Site or Artificial Wonder)
Synergy: +5 Influence per adjacent Maker Quarter

St. Basilic Cathedral

+1 Faith per District
+40 Stability
+20 Faith
Synergy: +5 Influence per adjacent District

Saint Mary of Flower

+10 Influence per Territory under State Religion
+40 Stability
+20 Faith
Synergy: +5 science per adjacent Common Quarter

Versailles Palace // (Together We Rule)

+20 Stability
-20% Leverage Action Cost
+20% Leverage Action Cost for Diplomatic Relations
Synergy: +8 stability and +2 Influence per adjacent Common Quarter

Eiffel Tower

+20 Stability
+1 Industry per Population on all Cities
Synergy: +10 Industry per adjacent Research Quarter

BigBen

+20 Stability
+5% Science per alliance on Empire
+10% Science on Capital
Synergy: +3 Science per adjacent Market Quarter
Synergy: +8 Science per adjacent City Center
Synergy: +8 Science per adjacent Administrative Center

Empire State building

+20 Stability
+20% Money generated from on-going Trade on all Cities
Synergy: +15 Money per adjacent Market Quarter

Maracana Stadium // (Cultures of Latin America)

+20 Stability
Exotic: Stadium dedication event (choice of extra money, influence or stability)
Synergy: +8 Influence per adjacent Common Quarter

Congress of Humankind // (Together We Rule)

+20 Stability
+50%International Sway on Empire
Synergy: +5% International Sway if built next to an Embassy

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Please, do not hesitate to share your thoughts about the changes.

[alexleshok]

Not every wonder has been mentioned, The Great Zimbabwe/The Great Pyramid.
Are there no synergy effects planned or they're missing because of uncompleted beta patch?

[Daarkarr0w]

Originally posted by alexleshok:

Not every wonder has been mentioned, The Great Zimbabwe/The Great Pyramid.
Are there no synergy effects planned or they're missing because of uncompleted beta patch?

Not all wonders will get a change/addition.

[Moby D1СК The SЗМЗН Whale]

I think it will be cool to increase the adjacency bonus for stability for forbidden city, as +3 is too low imho. Maybe +5 stability will fit better, or even more

[aur-lien]

Wonder influence price should increase for each wonder player already had claimed.

[aur-lien]

Temple of Artemis: 2 CS on ranged unit at this point is broken, maybe nerf it to 1

Hanging Gardens of Babylon! whats the point of this wonder ..?

Rhodes: finally good

Zeus: finally good

Djenné: A bit better, but this wonder is boring, "fame" bonus are boring

Tōdai-Ji: finally good

But globaly I think wonder give too much stability, their base stability could be lowered

[Moby D1СК The SЗМЗН Whale]

Originally posted by aur-lien:

Temple of Artemis: 2 CS on ranged unit at this point is broken, maybe nerf it to 1

Hanging Gardens of Babylon! whats the point of this wonder ..?

Rhodes: finally good

Zeus: finally good

Djenné: A bit better, but this wonder is boring, "fame" bonus are boring

Tōdai-Ji: finally good

But globaly I think wonder give too much stability, their base stability could be lowered

Disagree about Temple of artemis, 2cs is pretty good for ranged units of this era.
Gardens work as manufacture, so they already cool.
Another wonders look now really pretty cool

[aur-lien]

Originally posted by Moby D1СК The SЗМЗН Whale:

Originally posted by aur-lien:

Temple of Artemis: 2 CS on ranged unit at this point is broken, maybe nerf it to 1

Hanging Gardens of Babylon! whats the point of this wonder ..?

Rhodes: finally good

Zeus: finally good

Djenné: A bit better, but this wonder is boring, "fame" bonus are boring

Tōdai-Ji: finally good

But globaly I think wonder give too much stability, their base stability could be lowered

Disagree about Temple of artemis, 2cs is pretty good for ranged units of this era.
Gardens work as manufacture, so they already cool.
Another wonders look now really pretty cool

About Temple of Artemis I think it too much powerfull when you have already emblematic ranged unit (like olmec)

For garden, in french game it's just say "extract the resource" and not "act as manufacture", so I guess the confusion

[brunocarvalhopaula]

Not only french, all languages omit the fact it is an early manufactury which they should clarify in-game

[lafeedesbieres]

my game crash at lauch and i cant play it but yes we need balance patch....

[Daarkarr0w]

Originally posted by aur-lien:

Wonder influence price should increase for each wonder player already had claimed.

The claiming cost scale on the formula according the numbers of wonders you already have. Perhaps it is too low the scale?

[Daarkarr0w]

Originally posted by lafeedesbieres:

my game crash at lauch and i cant play it but yes we need balance patch....

The beta? Would you mind to share with us some files so we can check it.
Are you playing with mods? Because if yes i would ask you to try without them, just in case.

Diagnostic Files
>> PC: \Users\[username]\Documents\Humankind\Temporary Files

Player.Log:
>> PC: This folder is hidden by default. You will need to reveal hidden folders (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/show-hidden-files-0320fe58-0117-fd59-6851-9b7f9840fdb2 ) then navigate to: Users\[username]\AppData\LocalLow\AMPLITUDE Studios\Humankind

Some info about your system (specially relevant for crashings)
>> From the Windows desktop, press the Windows and R keys to open the Run window. In the Open: field of the Run window, type dxdiag. Click OK or the Enter key to open the DirectX* Diagnostic Tool.

[aur-lien]

Originally posted by Daarkarr0w:

Originally posted by aur-lien:

Wonder influence price should increase for each wonder player already had claimed.

The claiming cost scale on the formula according the numbers of wonders you already have. Perhaps it is too low the scale?

I feel it's too low, having more like 2 or 3 wonder should be a king of challenge (which would also reduce the snowball effect).

[Shadowhal]

Maybe it's my lack of experience, and I gather that the new synergy bonuses are just the cherry on top, rather than the main serving, but some of the late-era wonder bonuses seem pretty insignificant.

+5 Science per adjacent Research Quarter (Notre Dame de Paris)
+4 Industry per adjacent Quarter (Great Mosque of Djenne // (Cultures of Africa))
+5 Influence per adjacent Maker Quarter (Topkapi Palace)
+5 science per adjacent Common Quarter?
+5 Industry per adjacent Research Quarter? (Eiffel tower)
+8 Influence per adjacent Common Quarter? (Maracana Stadium)

These bonuses would be strong in eras 1+2 but from my experience, from era 3 onwards, new quarters start generating a lot more than that for their respective resources. I mean, it's ... nice to have that on top. but if I already 500 (or even 5,000) influence per turn, do I really care that much about an extra 30-40? Nah, rounding error.

By contrast, +5 Money per adjacent Market Quarter from Statue of Zeus in era 2 (?) seems pretty powerful for that time in the game. Same for +2 Influence per adjacent District from the Mausoleum at Halicarnassus

So yeah, I think the synergy bonuses need to scale better with the wonders' eras.

[Daarkarr0w]

Hey, we just update the Wonders on the final values that will have today. Thanks for all your feedback.
Here are the changes from the previous values:

• Forbidden City
  Synergy: +3 > +5 stability per adjacent District
• Notre Dame de Paris
  +5 > +8 Science per adjacent Research Quarter
• Versailles Palace 
  Synergy: +5 > +8 stability and (new > +2 Influence) per adjacent Common Quarter
• Eiffel Tower
  Synergy: +5 > +10 Industry per adjacent Research Quarter
• Empire State building
  Synergy: +6 > +15 Money per adjacent Market Quarter

[Moby D1СК The SЗМЗН Whale]

Parabellum wonders also look SO great, BUT the pentagon wonder seems to be so much OP because double bombardment for ALL types of units. Maybe shall it be reduced for only one of land/aerial/naval units type in future?