Why can't nuclear submarines carry nuclear missiles? and……

[titanzwh]

Why can't nuclear submarines carry nuclear missiles? This has lost its original strategic value. Moreover, nuclear submarines are extremely expensive, but their power is only a little bit stronger than that of German submarines, which is obviously unreasonable. I hope the production team can improve these game experiences as soon as possible.

[chaney]

For game purposes, I agree.

For comparison with real life, "nuclear submarine" generally applies to subs powered by nuclear power. They need not always carry nuclear warheads - the power source is a huge advantage in terms of endurance for a torpedo firing submarine that doesn't carry missiles.

Similarly, a non-nuclear powered sub could carry a nuclear missile.

[Alopen]

Modern warfare (this includes nukes) functions poorly. ICBMs not reaching around the world really gets under my skin. Not to mention neither aircraft nor subs can carry nukes. City sprawl makes combat outside of a city / siege environment impossible.

The games’ combat works up to industrial era and frustratingly falls off a cliff at that point. Nukes have to be placed in a missile silo (which cannot be hidden). No country would ever operate their nukes in this way. Its nice they take a turn to land but delivery system is retardely limited to a set (and rather short) range from your missile silos. In a huge map you lucky to even reach the next continent at times.

[Oubley]

Originally posted by chaney:

For comparison with real life, "nuclear submarine" generally applies to subs powered by nuclear power. They need not always carry nuclear warheads - the power source is a huge advantage in terms of endurance for a torpedo firing submarine that doesn't carry missiles.
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+1
this was my understanding

[Nikako]

Originally posted by Alopen:

Modern warfare (this includes nukes) functions poorly. ICBMs not reaching around the world really gets under my skin. Not to mention neither aircraft nor subs can carry nukes. City sprawl makes combat outside of a city / siege environment impossible.

The games’ combat works up to industrial era and frustratingly falls off a cliff at that point. Nukes have to be placed in a missile silo (which cannot be hidden). No country would ever operate their nukes in this way. Its nice they take a turn to land but delivery system is retardely limited to a set (and rather short) range from your missile silos. In a huge map you lucky to even reach the next continent at times.

Isn't this essentially handled through the games delaying the impact of nuclear warhead by 1 turn? There's no need for nuclear triad when the game enforces a MAD rule. Do agree w/your frustration over ICBM range though. Maybe they should implement an upgrade system much like they did w/the explosive power? Short ICBM/Med/Long

[Alopen]

And are cruise missiles only shot from missile silos in real life? massive oversight by the devs to limit cruise missiles to silos. They should be loaded onto planes, boats, subs, etc. That is like a huge part of modern warfare. Just dumb.

I disagree with the missing nuclear triad from the game. One of the aspects of modern warfare in the 21st century is delivery systems are going to be so fast that response time is no longer guaranteed. It was a specific intent by USSR and US to limit short range ballistic missile development. Can you say that gentleman's agreement will hold in the next few decades? Or that in your game the nuclear powers agree to limit the danger? Hypersonic weapons will be Pandora's box.