Wonders

[LOC_The_Night_Reaper]

So anyone else think if you knock out a nation that has claimed a wonder before they even start it that that wonder should go back into the wonder pool unclaimed or the person that conquered them should be able to build it ? Cause I knocked out a culture before they could even start it and now no one can even build it its just lost.

[Dorok]

Are you sure? I don't remind wonders are destroyed like that, if the AI picked it the wonder building need have start even if in queue and zero building, if you get the territory you can continue its building.

Eventually another AI picked the territory with the wonder and you didn't notice (you can search on global map), or the AI finished build it and an Independent ransak it and then perhaps it is gone forever, not sure it can still happen, but perhaps it could previously. I clearly remind one a message on a wonder destroyed.

[bigredgiant13]

wonders don't get destroyed after you eliminate the culture that has it you can build it if its not already built and if it is already built you'll have it

[yutterh]

Similar thing happened to me. Said it couldn't be built cause the territory was occupied or something. But I owned the territory.....but I am assuming for you the ai claimed it and never built it anywhere so it was eternally stuck in limbo basically. You should go to the main site and report the bug.

[LOC_The_Night_Reaper]

so as I said the guys I killed had bought the wonder but hadn't started construction before I killed them

Originally posted by Dorok:

Are you sure? I don't remind wonders are destroyed like that, if the AI picked it the wonder building need have start even if in queue and zero building, if you get the territory you can continue its building.

Eventually another AI picked the territory with the wonder and you didn't notice (you can search on global map), or the AI finished build it and an Independent ransak it and then perhaps it is gone forever, not sure it can still happen, but perhaps it could previously. I clearly remind one a message on a wonder destroyed.

[Dorok]

Originally posted by LOC_The_Night_Reaper:

so as I said the guys I killed had bought the wonder but hadn't started construction before I killed them

Originally posted by Dorok:

Are you sure? I don't remind wonders are destroyed like that, if the AI picked it the wonder building need have start even if in queue and zero building, if you get the territory you can continue its building.

Eventually another AI picked the territory with the wonder and you didn't notice (you can search on global map), or the AI finished build it and an Independent ransak it and then perhaps it is gone forever, not sure it can still happen, but perhaps it could previously. I clearly remind one a message on a wonder destroyed.

And as I said, I had the case already and multiple time in past you inherit it in a city build queue.

Perhaps now it's different, and I'm not sure I had cases of outpost, don't remind it.

EDIT:
And I checked it, when in building , the wonder isn't seen in influence global map (red button at bottom left).

So you can't be sure it was lost, except by owning all territories the AI had when it picked the wonder.

But I tried detach my territory where there's a wonder in building, and it couldn't mimic test Ai cases because the building wasn't removed from building queue of cities.

[Dorok]

So I made this test:

Had a wonder in building, detach the territory, the building was still in cities build queue.

I liberate the outpost, the wonder building disappeared.

I ransak the independent outpost, and created the outpost again, the wonder building appeared in cities build queues, but all building done previously was lost, it was reset to zero building done.

Looks quite like what I quoted, a wonder building don't disappear even when it changes of owner, and even in outpost, and even destroy the outpost doesn't remove the wonder building you get back if you create again an outpost.

So OP case is hardly because the wonder is in limbo, more he doesn"t know where the wonder building start was done and isn't owning yet the territory having the building.

[yutterh]

Your talking about the wonder in the building queue right? the Op is talking about it not even being started. but yes if they didn't finish building it, you can still make it. even if you don't know the original city as it will still be on the plot it was started on and can be continued from any city.

[Dorok]

Originally posted by yutterh:

Your talking about the wonder in the building queue right? the Op is talking about it not even being started.

You can reserve a wonder only by starting building it, so my post is fully in OP case.

[yutterh]

Originally posted by Dorok:

Originally posted by yutterh:

Your talking about the wonder in the building queue right? the Op is talking about it not even being started.

You can reserve a wonder only by starting building it, so my post is fully in OP case.

You can claim a wonder and then not build it, sometimes I don't build them for like 30 turns or more. Especially the era 1 wonders. You just can't reserve another tell you build that one, but no one else can claim it.

[LOC_The_Night_Reaper]

So I think the issue I'm running into is it was the first era they only had one area when I killed them and i I was already at war with them before the claimed it so when they did I basically killed them the turn after.

Originally posted by yutterh:

Your talking about the wonder in the building queue right? the Op is talking about it not even being started. but yes if they didn't finish building it, you can still make it. even if you don't know the original city as it will still be on the plot it was started on and can be continued from any city.

[Dorok]

Originally posted by yutterh:

Originally posted by Dorok:

You can reserve a wonder only by starting building it, so my post is fully in OP case.

You can claim a wonder and then not build it, sometimes I don't build them for like 30 turns or more. Especially the era 1 wonders. You just can't reserve another tell you build that one, but no one else can claim it.

The build is started when you reserve it with zero building done if you put in build queue, but started anyway.

In my test that's what happened after I left the building to independents, building reset to 0 but started already and not lost by destroying outpost nor with owner change.

[Dorok]

Originally posted by LOC_The_Night_Reaper:

So I think the issue I'm running into is it was the first era they only had one area when I killed them and i I was already at war with them before the claimed it so when they did I basically killed them the turn after.

Originally posted by yutterh:

Your talking about the wonder in the building queue right? the Op is talking about it not even being started. but yes if they didn't finish building it, you can still make it. even if you don't know the original city as it will still be on the plot it was started on and can be continued from any city.

And again it changes nothing the wonder building should not have been lost, it is just reset to zero building done but not lost.

Perhaps a bug, or you don't know where its build started, perhaps some area without outpost yet after the outpost or admin center or central plazza was destroyed.

the only case was a long time ago, and not sure still valid it's independents could ransak a wonder, not the player and probably not Ai too, it was more a bug and as I never seen it since long, probably fixed.

[yutterh]

Originally posted by Dorok:

Originally posted by yutterh:

You can claim a wonder and then not build it, sometimes I don't build them for like 30 turns or more. Especially the era 1 wonders. You just can't reserve another tell you build that one, but no one else can claim it.

The build is started when you reserve it with zero building done if you put in build queue, but started anyway.

In my test that's what happened after I left the building to independents, building reset to 0 but started already and not lost by destroying outpost nor with owner change.

No it is not started when you reserve it. You can claim a wonder and then not even start building it. You do not have to put it on a plot. Sometimes I reserve it and wait a few turns to build it in a location that hasn't been attached yet.

[Dorok]

Originally posted by yutterh:

Originally posted by Dorok:

The build is started when you reserve it with zero building done if you put in build queue, but started anyway.

In my test that's what happened after I left the building to independents, building reset to 0 but started already and not lost by destroying outpost nor with owner change.

No it is not started when you reserve it. You can claim a wonder and then not even start building it. You do not have to put it on a plot. Sometimes I reserve it and wait a few turns to build it in a location that hasn't been attached yet.

When you reserve you choose build location and it's ended, you'll never be able to change this location.

That you started build it or not changes nothing. Make the test, and stop pretend I lie or argue with words without testing anything.

And FYI it's the same for EB.

[el.Fakir]

Originally posted by Dorok:

Originally posted by yutterh:

No it is not started when you reserve it. You can claim a wonder and then not even start building it. You do not have to put it on a plot. Sometimes I reserve it and wait a few turns to build it in a location that hasn't been attached yet.

When you reserve you choose build location and it's ended, you'll never be able to change this location.

That you started build it or not changes nothing. Make the test, and stop pretend I lie or argue with words without testing anything.

And FYI it's the same for EB.

Are you sure you have played Humankind before?
In Humankind, first you claim the right to build Wonders by spending influence. The wonder you claimed is then added into City panel > Shared Projects section. You may or may not want to place the wonder on the map on a tile immediately after claiming. AI generally places wonders they claim (even if they don't plan to continue building it afterwards for many turns) but they probably do this after one turn. If the original poster had conquered the cities of AI empire before wonder is placed on the map (this happened to me as well twice in different campaigns) then YES, right to build or claim that wonder again is lost forever. No other empire can claim it again or place it on the map to finish construction.