Finally a contender to shake up Civilization

[Elhoim]

Civ has become increasingly stale over the years, it's great to see a new take on the concept without the baggage. I REALLY loved EL mechanics, but I couldn't get into the world. I loved the region system, armies, etc, so being able to play a similar game in the historical setting I love so much it's a dream come true :salute:

[b9thirty99]

Have you seen 6? It was ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ disgrace in every department. Most in graphical.

[NTense]

Yup I'm a long-time fan of Civilization but they lost me with VI, not because of the graphics which I didn't mind but the terrible design choices and incompetent AI. About time they had some capable competition.

[Earl of Doncaster]

Yeah Firaxis needs some competition since they have given up on making good Civ games since Civ4.

[Elhoim]

The main problem with Civ is that they are focusing on abstract rules that avoid multiplayer exploits instead of systems that represent a simulation of history. For example...

In the new world congress they created this favor "currency", which can be traded for anything, which then you can spend on "votes", which cost more each time. Instead of just giving to option to ask the AI to vote on something, because that's not something that can be used in Multiplayer.

Or all those silly rules for when or how to raze cities. Just let me do it and apply consequences for the action.

[strike478]

Civilization 6 were beaten. By Endless Legend.

Amplitude will show firaxis how do you make civilization.

[NTense]

I think Firaxis went too mainstream with Civilization VI. It was definitely too casual, game design and art style. They tried to please everyone for more cash and succeeded, it sold well but they lost a lot of fans. Amplitude is more niche so I have high hopes.

[ashbery76]

Originally posted by TıINE:

Civilization died when civ V came on, everyone agrees with this. No more doomstacks, no more serious competition from AI. You could easily win on hard difficulties, make only 4 optimal cities, go for tall strategy and click next turn till you win.

Last great civ was civ 4, we all know this.

It is so transparent how NTense is pushing civilization VI under the bus just so Civilization 5 appears good, when in fact it's THE biggest culprit of the downfall of civilization series. Civ 6 simply followed the path set by civ 5.

Nostalgia.The series is tired with bloated mechanics that needs reworking..The whole religion,culture ,dull victory conditions needs to change.Of course they will stay the same because it still sells.The series is now just too stuck in its roots.

CivIV was tired too and actually started the process of bloat.Funny how that games A.I has become mythical too.

[Peter Llew]

Im so glad someone is taking on Civ directly. I love civ 5 i kinda like civ 4 but civ 6 while got some interesting ideas is a mess of a game. its somehow both too casual and too complicated at the same time with systems that make no logical since. it felt that with civ 6 they were making a really complex board game then last min turned it into a PC strategy game. I dident mind the art sytle but the UI was a mess. the Card system its just frustrating to use etc and well the ai are hopeless.

From what iv seen and read of this it sounds really interesting and is a game im going to keep my eye on. as iv liked the look of some of there other games but im not too interested in the fantasy and sifi themes the other games were based in.

also if it runs decently as well i will be so happy as even on high end systems civ 5 and 6 run terribly mid to late game on the larger map settings and im on a 8 core 16 thread cpu ffs.

[NTense]

Originally posted by TıINE:

Civilization died when civ V came on, everyone agrees with this. No more doomstacks, no more serious competition from AI. You could easily win on hard difficulties, make only 4 optimal cities, go for tall strategy and click next turn till you win.

Last great civ was civ 4, we all know this.

It is so transparent how NTense is pushing civilization VI under the bus just so Civilization 5 appears good, when in fact it's THE biggest culprit of the downfall of civilization series. Civ 6 simply followed the path set by civ 5.

Lol what are you on about? I only enjoy Civ V modded with Vox Populi, which greatly changes every mechanic and improves AI. I never said V was the pinnacle of the series, in fact II and IV were my favourites. Unmodded V is unplayable like VI is imo. What’s transparaent is you’re assuming things you don’t know

[NTense]

Originally posted by TıINE:

Originally posted by NTense:

Lol what are you on about? I only enjoy Civ V modded with Vox Populi, which greatly changes every mechanic and improves AI. I never said V was the pinnacle of the series, in fact II and IV were my favourites. Unmodded V is unplayable like VI is imo. What’s transparaent is you’re assuming things you don’t know

Well we aren't comparing mods with each other, we compare how games themselves stand out. Even if we include mods, there is no competition here, civ 4 just has amazing full-conversion mods with actually good AI and situations where you actually have to think before you develop a strategy. I'm talking here specifically about New dawn mod, but there are others equally spectacular.

You just said we aren't comparing mods then proceeded to glorify a mod? I dunno man, you confuse me. Civ IV was great, way better than V but I have the most memories with II, Civ III was also good but less memorable imo. It went downhill with V you're right. But VI is just an unsalvageable mess at the core. Anyway, we should be talking about what Humankind can bring to the table here.

[NTense]

Originally posted by TıINE:

AI is terrible, but so is in CIV5, because the computer just can't do much with the 1UPT limitation.

That's why I brought up the mod, the community is constantly tuning the AI, it made me drop a difficulty level. Civ V vanilla = terrible, Civ V Vox Populi = great

[Metadragon]

Why are you guys acting like Endless Legend doesn't exist?

[NTense]

Originally posted by Metadragon:

Why are you guys acting like Endless Legend doesn't exist?

Because it’s niche, it’s fantasy and not historical. It’s 4x strategy but not in the same subset as Civ.

[Metadragon]

Originally posted by NTense:

Originally posted by Metadragon:

Why are you guys acting like Endless Legend doesn't exist?

Because it’s niche, it’s fantasy and not historical. It’s 4x strategy but not in the same subset as Civ.

And in terms of gameplay its the closest thing we have to a Civ game. And its down rather well. You bat it away as being 4X but 4X is a huge genre with games that are completely different. EL and Civ are not that different.

[NTense]

Originally posted by Metadragon:

Originally posted by NTense:

Because it’s niche, it’s fantasy and not historical. It’s 4x strategy but not in the same subset as Civ.

And in terms of gameplay its the closest thing we have to a Civ game. And its down rather well. You bat it away as being 4X but 4X is a huge genre with games that are completely different. EL and Civ are not that different.

They’re not that different but their settings appeal to different crowds and as such are not in direct competition. On the Endless Legends forums some are scratching their heads wondering why go this route instead of bolstering the fantasy world, here many are asking why they should give this a chance also. It’s going to be a merging of two different worlds, gameplay and player base.