How to get a grievance and claim a territory in my sphere of influence?

[Athyl]

Hello people,

The ingame encyclopedia explains this:
« once another Empire's Territory is in your Sphere of Influence a Grievance against them will be generated which you can use to Demand it from them »

How does this gameplay features works?
I've been having several territories of other Empires in my sphere of Influence for a while, but I never got any Grievance to claim them.

[Nats]

Yeah same here, I assumed they would just convert to my empire but they dont.

[Athyl]

From what I understood, you first have to get a Grievance. But how come that no Grievance ever appears while my sphere of influence is expanding over my neighbour's cities?

[VoiD]

Once they convert you should have 10 turns to make a demand, it should be something like "oppressing my people".

[Athyl]

So you think I just missed it?
Does this Grievance systematically appear in this case? Or is there some part of randomization?

[VoiD]

Originally posted by Athyl:

So you think I just missed it?
Does this Grievance systematically appear in this case? Or is there some part of randomization?

Maybe, you should get another when you convert another city, but I could be missing something as well.

One way to get it again, if that claim is important, is by ending all trade with that player, that will greatly lower your influence over their lands and let them reconvert their territory, then you get trade going again and it should give you another, I think.

Also open borders seem to make the process faster as well, but if their culture/religion is stronger you'll be the one losing the cultural war faster.

PS: Making a demand ends all trade until they accept, or you give it up

[Nats]

Originally posted by VoiD:

Once they convert you should have 10 turns to make a demand, it should be something like "oppressing my people".

No that doesnt happen

[Kotli]

Open the diplomacy panel (same place you do treaties and trading) and go to the crisis tab.

[SirKnechtalot]

Either you press the grivance "oppressing my people" which does appear if you have enough influence pressure and not just 5% in that territory or you can pick an expansionist culture.

[Nats]

Originally posted by SirKnechtalot:

Either you press the grivance "oppressing my people" which does appear if you have enough influence pressure and not just 5% in that territory or you can pick an expansionist culture.

I have an recently constructed enemy outpost 100% in my sphere of influence and 100% my religion and never got any grievance to claim that outpost. I am ransacking it at the moment but no idea how to claim it as my own. I assumed it would have changed to me when the timer ran out but it never did.

[Tregon]

Originally posted by Nats:

Originally posted by SirKnechtalot:

Either you press the grivance "oppressing my people" which does appear if you have enough influence pressure and not just 5% in that territory or you can pick an expansionist culture.

I have an recently constructed enemy outpost 100% in my sphere of influence and 100% my religion and never got any grievance to claim that outpost. I am ransacking it at the moment but no idea how to claim it as my own. I assumed it would have changed to me when the timer ran out but it never did.

You get grievances but have to press them in diplomacy to have some effect. I have city next to other empire, pushing my culture and religion on them and it generates grievances on those territories. Religion is excellent for this if your opponent has another state religion.

[Nats]

Yes sorry I did just get a grievance for the enemy city pop up a few turns after it finished converting but it seems the only way to push the grievance is to go to war if the enemy doesnt agree to it.

[Tregon]

Yes, that is what they are about. And at war grievance gives you war goal that you get if you win.

[mdspectre]

Originally posted by Nats:

Yes sorry I did just get a grievance for the enemy city pop up a few turns after it finished converting but it seems the only way to push the grievance is to go to war if the enemy doesnt agree to it.

Even if the AI Civ agrees to your territory grievance, I've found that nothing happens, they basically avoid war, no exchange of territory, no losses for them except pride. The AI mechanic for diplomacy is clearly broken. If you want territory in the current game you have to take it by force.

Even after delaying the game for 4 months and having people 'beta test' with OpenDev, the game still has huge bugs. I hope they will eventually fix this, maybe someday...

[The Former]

Originally posted by mdspectre:

Originally posted by Nats:

Yes sorry I did just get a grievance for the enemy city pop up a few turns after it finished converting but it seems the only way to push the grievance is to go to war if the enemy doesnt agree to it.

Even if the AI Civ agrees to your territory grievance, I've found that nothing happens, they basically avoid war, no exchange of territory, no losses for them except pride. The AI mechanic for diplomacy is clearly broken. If you want territory in the current game you have to take it by force.

Sound like you've found a bug. When I tell the AI to give me an outpost and they consent, I get the outpost immediately. I took two of my ten outposts in my last game this way.

[Athyl]

Originally posted by mdspectre:

Even if the AI Civ agrees to your territory grievance, I've found that nothing happens, they basically avoid war, no exchange of territory, no losses for them except pride.

I confirm that you have found a bug, it seems.
I've finally obtained one Grievance for a territory in my sphere of influence (it was late!). The AI agreed and I earnt the territory with the city. The same way I earnt territory with Grievance for religion. ;-)