Events promote Communism and Woke culture? Really?

[Ruin]

So, been reading through the (in particular negative) reviews and many complain about events promoting Communism and Woke culture as the only "right" choice to address them...

I had held off buying Humankind as I was concerned with it's release state and wanted to give it some time to get glaring bugs etc resolved...

I've loved Amplitudes 4X games to date, but this has given me reason for further pause and hoping people could shed some light on whether this is actually the case, or not?

[mecklenberg]

Humankind has a lot of issues but this is not one of them.

The 'narrator' expresses opinions about various choices, but you don't have to agree with him.

In one game I had individualistic, globalised, libertarian, scientific, all maxed - about as far from Communism and 'wokeness' as you can get. I did fine.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2582682928

[Merethys]

Looking at your screenshot... isn't that actually full 100% wokeness?
To be "unwoke" you would have to do the exact opposite.

Tradition: Men have always been superior to women, why change?
Authority: The only opinion that matters is mine!
Homeland: Keep those filthy foreigners out of our lands!
Collectivism: You don't need to express yourself, just do what everyone else does!


Edit: Disclaimer: The above do not reflect my actual opinions.

[Oksennus Oliver]

One reviewer made a refund because the Humankind menu screen has black man and white woman holding hands.

How fragile is the gamer ego

[Torgaddon]

Hi. I am Russian (and I apologize for google translation). And I have many complaints about the Soviet regime. For several years I have been debating on the net with her fans. During this time I read several books - Marx, Engels, Lenin. And also watched hundreds of hours of videos. We have a lot of them and they are watched by millions. Our socialist ideology is again gaining strength - so I had a lot of interlocutors. Half of the country supports the construction of monuments to Stalin. I can say that ideology as such, as a concept, is not bad at all and answers many questions. Basis and superstructure. Source of profit. Causes of certain events.
Although, of course, this does not negate the victims of the civil war, the great terror, and all subsequent repressions and restrictions.
Personally, I haven't noticed anything you are talking about.
The only, for some reason "Soviet people" is the only purely military civilization of the last era. I disagree with this. Didn't the Third Reich have the strongest army in the first half of the century? Didn't the USA have it later?
If I were you, I would simply not pay attention to such moments. I have not seen anything about communism. But I saw other possibilities of choice, where the most profitable option was different from the one I would have chosen in reality. For example, about freedom of the press - it gives too many bonuses. Just play and choose the profitable one.

[mecklenberg]

Originally posted by Merethys:

Looking at your screenshot... isn't that actually full 100% wokeness?
To be "unwoke" you would have to do the exact opposite.

Tradition: Men have always been superior to women, why change?
Authority: The only opinion that matters is mine!
Homeland: Keep those filthy foreigners out of our lands!
Collectivism: You don't need to express yourself, just do what everyone else does!

I just knew someone would say something like this!

Tradition: I see this as faith -vs- science. Communism and 'wokeness' are very much matters of faith, indeed 'wokeness' inherits both from Marxism and deconstruction, which claims inter alia that science is not to be trusted unless it supports particular values - a position remarkably close, in fact, to the Pre-Reformation Catholic Church.

Authority: Communism in practice has proved highly authoritarian. One can argue about theory until the cows come home - what matters is what actually happened. 'Wokeness' is essentially an effort by a specific social fraction to enforce a particular moral system on everybody else. The program was well summarised by Marcuse In the enormously influential 'Repressive Tolerance.'

'Homeland': That 'progressive' politics can abhor globalism and yet at the same time espouse unrestricted migration (but only to Western Countries) is a dilemma for the Left, not the Right.

Collectivism: You have to be kidding here!

[Astasia]

Originally posted by Merethys:

Looking at your screenshot... isn't that actually full 100% wokeness?

Pretty much, at least as far as you can take it within the game.

At any rate, to answer the OP, no there's nothing that really "promotes" communism in the game, or "wokeness," unless your idea of wokeness is climate change or a spherical planet.

[VDmitry]

I didn't notice any Communism in the game, but I'm not getting what do you have against Communism either

[Ruin]

Originally posted by Oksennus Oliver:

One reviewer made a refund because the Humankind menu screen has black man and white woman holding hands.

How fragile is the gamer ego

I'd be more asking how fragile is the blatant-racist's ego? Being racist has nothing to do with gaming...

Originally posted by VDmitry:

I didn't notice any Communism in the game, but I'm not getting what do you have against Communism either

Mecklenberg's posts actually touch on alot of my issues with Communism...

I don't really want to get into a debate about Capitalism vs Communism, so I'll just leave it at this...

I have a knowledge of history, and I like having the freedom to choose my own path to work towards owning shiney things and personal property, to put it into utterly simplistic terms...




I think I'll sleep on it and decide tomorrow whether or not to buy...

[Twelvefield]

Ideology is one thing. The bug list is another. In the most practical sense, you'll likely be more cheesed off by bugs than by communists. Wait for a sale.

[knighttemplar1960]

Its pretty clearly focused on the political left. The best thing to do is just wait for the modders to make an ideologically balanced mod to the game. One that offers more choices with events. longer chains, and more randomness to the events. I'm also expecting more selectable civilizations, more wonders, fleshing out of religion, fixing ranged units, fixing surrenders, and having the civilizations in the correct eras from the modders as well.

[mecklenberg]

Originally posted by Ruin:

I don't really want to get into a debate about Capitalism vs Communism, so I'll just leave it at this...

I have a knowledge of history, and I like having the freedom to choose my own path to work towards owning shiney things and personal property, to put it into utterly simplistic terms...

I think I'll sleep on it and decide tomorrow whether or not to buy...

It is, after all, a game. Civ 5 has 'Freedom', 'Order' and 'Autocracy', but it's pretty obvious from the associated Wonders what they represent. I've played and enjoyed many games with all 3 ideologies without worrying too much about their IRL political overtones!

[Merethys]

Originally posted by mecklenberg:

Originally posted by Merethys:

Looking at your screenshot... isn't that actually full 100% wokeness?
To be "unwoke" you would have to do the exact opposite.

Tradition: Men have always been superior to women, why change?
Authority: The only opinion that matters is mine!
Homeland: Keep those filthy foreigners out of our lands!
Collectivism: You don't need to express yourself, just do what everyone else does!

I just knew someone would say something like this!

Tradition: I see this as faith -vs- science. Communism and 'wokeness' are very much matters of faith, indeed 'wokeness' inherits both from Marxism and deconstruction, which claims inter alia that science is not to be trusted unless it supports particular values - a position remarkably close, in fact, to the Pre-Reformation Catholic Church.

Authority: Communism in practice has proved highly authoritarian. One can argue about theory until the cows come home - what matters is what actually happened. 'Wokeness' is essentially an effort by a specific social fraction to enforce a particular moral system on everybody else. The program was well summarised by Marcuse In the enormously influential 'Repressive Tolerance.'

'Homeland': That 'progressive' politics can abhor globalism and yet at the same time espouse unrestricted migration (but only to Western Countries) is a dilemma for the Left, not the Right.

Collectivism: You have to be kidding here!

Note that I never said anything about communism. You do realize that "wokeness" and communism are not the same thing, right?

[mecklenberg]

Originally posted by Merethys:

I just knew someone would say something like this!

Note that I never said anything about communism.

Note that I did. I was entitled to defend myself against your unwarranted intrusion in whatever way I chose. And t turns out that I was wise to do so, because:

Originally posted by Merethys:

You do realize that "wokeness" and communism are not the same thing, right?

So in one sentence you criticise me for addressing communism in addition to wokeness, and in the next claim I think they are the same thing?

What I in fact said, inter alia, was that both trace their origins to the same discredited source, Karl Marx, of whom Bertrand Russell aptly noted:

'My objections to Marx are of two sorts: one, that he was muddle-headed; and the other, that his thinking was almost entirely inspired by hatred.'

[Roryn]

Originally posted by mecklenberg:

Note that I did. I was entitled to defend myself against your unwarranted intrusion in whatever way I chose.

That's called a straw man argument. You're entitled to say what you like, but that doesn't make it any less of a straw man

[Troubletcat]

The only people who think this game has a strong leftist bias are off the rails right-wing nutjobs.

Both ends of every ideology axis come with advantages. Some in-game events have better outcomes if you choose particular options. Sometimes those 'better options' are more aligned with conservatism and/or capitalism, sometimes they're more aligned with more progressive ideologies. The game presenting a relatively balanced view is going to look like left-wing propaganda to people extremely far to the right, and that's about it.

...then again, if you're really worried about 'woke culture', in my experience that's probably you, so... if that's the case, I guess don't buy this game if you don't want to have your extremist political views challenged by seeing something a little more even-keeled.