Industry is broken, all other yields suck.

[Poop King]

I've done a thing on a few maps now where I save before taking the first culture, and reload to test Harappans vs Egyptians.

Simply put, food and population don't help you develop your cities.

More problematic is the fact that you can turn production into infinite food without ever needing to build a farmers district by completing the 'Feast' project over and over. As long as you build cities on rivers you also get plenty of food from the river upgrades.

Granaries seemingly suck, that is until all infrastructure buildings complete in 1-2 turns. Meanwhile farmers districts and canals will continue getting more expensive to build without having more production to build them faster.

The gold buy cost also increases too sharply - it ends up costing thousands of gold per turn of production, and never mind the option to buyout with population - even if you gain 1 population per turn, buying something with 16 population is 16 turns of growth wasted.

You can also get a lot of food from several of the luxury resources, same as the other resources, but also as with with money and science - you can exclusively get all these resources from other means than building their districts in the early game, and focus on spamming the Emblematic Districts for the builder cultures and then getting as many wonders as you can even for nothing more than the stability bonus (the stability increase is all I care about from most of the wonders).

And the builder perk of 10 stability of building completion lets you forget about stability and just keep spamming buildings to keep stability in check. Combine this with using gold to buy stability from one of the civics and just keep expanding with loads of production.

[Beefers]

Originally posted by G4M5T3R:

Originally posted by Poopskin:

Lol ♥♥♥♥♥♥, your counter was precisely that your FOOD BASED spec with size 40+ cities would beat my industry spec.

You didn't claim any other counter at all whatsoever, only food / population.

No my counter was bleeding your pop to 0. Using Shamanism and holy wars. You really can't read can you?

They have made it abundantly clear they are not interested in reading, everyone has acknowledged that production is very good. They are just trying to "win" on the internet, acting like a jerk and then wondering why everyone isn't praising their overly obvious and redundant takes.

[Poop King]

Originally posted by G4M5T3R:

Originally posted by Poopskin:

Lol ♥♥♥♥♥♥, your counter was precisely that your FOOD BASED spec with size 40+ cities would beat my industry spec.

You didn't claim any other counter at all whatsoever, only food / population.

No my counter was bleeding your pop to 0. Using Shamanism and holy wars. You really can't read can you?

Well its not really a counter if you don't have food to generate more faith than me, so yes you absolutely were arguing that your food based economy would be all it takes to counter this.

And anyway, what makes you think your shamanism would ever produce more faith than my industry fueled wonder spam lol.

You assumptions are nothing more than baseless tripe, your shamanism would never produce more faith than my building spam.

Bear in mind that with polytheism, I wouldn't only have 5 faith per district, I would 7 with Kul'nahs added on top too. You would need a heck of a lot of population to beat my 7 per attached territory plus faith from wonders, in fact shamanism alone would never suffice.

[G4M5T3R]

Yea I know... I gave them the benefit of doubt. They turned this into a pissing contest. Here's a recap of our "discussion" right up to the point they became a child. I'm done with this thread. It's like talking to a braindead parrot stuck on repeat.

Originally posted by G4M5T3R:

I'm going to try this. It seems more like a strategy than an issue to me. Wouldn't Shamanism and a holy war or two basically hard counter this?

Originally posted by G4M5T3R:

Originally posted by Poopskin:

? How ? With pure industry your cities pop out like 10 units a turn.

Not if you don't have the pop to produce them.

Originally posted by G4M5T3R:

Originally posted by Poopskin:

What does the religion have to do with military? And who said I'm playing multiplayer?
The point is that either industry needs a nerf or the other yields need a buff, they are grossly imbalanced.

4X game balance has everything to do with multiplayer. You don't have good pop with your strat. Shamanism scales off pop. Guess what happens when my religion beats yours? Grievances that ensure your cities become mine if I win the war and since units consume pop which you don't have...

All I'm saying is it's not really an issue if there's a hard counter. It's a strategy. One that can be used to cheese AI. Sounds fun...

Originally posted by G4M5T3R:

Originally posted by Poopskin:

What exactly are you going to do with picking Harappans in the ancient era to beat an early military rush coming from an Egypt player? Sit and cry in a corner over how you can't build a single thing to counter it?

Honestly, this is probably the only scenario in which your strat would win. Even more cheese!

Originally posted by G4M5T3R:

Originally posted by Poopskin:

What are you going to do in any era when you don't even have 5% of my production lol. Sit and cry in a corner right?

My entire op was literally comparing food to production. Any other assumption has been made by you. You cannot beat my industry only spec with a food only spec.

:D No it wasn't, and no one in their right mind would ever spec only food. There is no win condition for food or pop. JFC...

[Beefers]

Yeah, it seems all they wanted was a pissing contest, not actually interested in understanding the game beyond a very focused tunnel vision type of playthrough. Sad really.

[Poop King]

Originally posted by G4M5T3R:

Yea I know... I gave them the benefit of doubt. They turned this into a pissing contest. Here's a recap of our "discussion" right up to the point they became a child. I'm done with this thread. It's like talking to a braindead parrot stuck on repeat.

Show me exactly where I ever asked for or cared for your amateur and inexperienced input using nothing but fantasies that you dream of to think of non existent methods to counter an industry spam, especially when at no point in this thread has 'multiplayer' ever been mentioned by anyone other than you lol.

And please do get out, you were never welcome in my thread in the first place, if you post anymore in this thread then that simply proves that I win and you can't stop thinking about me 24/7.

[Beefers]

lol, posting that they win. That says it all, this kid is a joke beyond measure and lacks the self awareness to see it.

[Poop King]

Originally posted by Beefers:

not actually interested in understanding the game

Please show me exactly where in my thread title or OP that I ever asked for your input regarding my understanding of the game?

What exactly led you to assume that this is what this thread was about other than your own narcissistic fury?

Originally posted by Beefers:

lol, posting that they win. That says it all, this kid is a joke beyond measure and lacks the self awareness to see it.

^ Said the obviously 5 year old child.

[Beefers]

More ironic posts. Keep it up bud, keep it up, you are totally winning, everyone sees it, you are trying so hard!

P.S. your edits are making you look even more desperate. You do realize there is an official pinned post at the top of this forum asking for gameplay feedback right? And that instead of using any of the 3 official channels set up you posted a new thread on the general steam forum, right? You do realize these things?

[Lonestead]

Funny how he describes all his own negative anti social behaviour when he tries to attack others and doesn't even realize it.

[Mioukon]

This thread was closed due to derailing, please feel free to discuss the original topic or related ones in a new thread.