Suggestion to the devs (SPOILERS)

[White]

I absolutely hate that we couldn't save Lorsulia.

But before anyone starts with the argument that it drives the plot, here's my suggestion for the plot development:

When Eryk discoveres Lorsulia's bruises and confronts Ivo, there'd be one more choice besides "Yes, your Grace" and "...." as a response to Ivo, and that would be throwing him off the wall. With this, Lorsulia would be safe for now, but Atana would go to war to avange their king. The events of Radovia's army would play out as originally, with the exception that there would be no reinforcements to begin with. Once that is over, Eryk now has to prepare to face Atana, but since he killed the king himself, no other king would be willing to help him, making the situation much harder.

This way the plot still moves toward the same end. The player has more agency over the outcome, being able to decide between saving Lorsulia or potentially losing everything by making things a lot harder. This would also fit a lot better into the whole theme of the game where the player's choices matter.

Don't take me wrong, I really love the game. But that's exactly why I can't just let this go. You gave us the power to make decisions that matter. Don't take one of the most important story developments and make it arbitrarily outside of the player's influence.

Please consider this. Don't leave us with a Lorsulia shaped hole in our hearts.

[Rad Shiba]

I thought if i train Asalia hard enough, and let Maya spend time with her, one day she might go to Atana with some Maya's Radovian friends then rescue her sister to me.

Your idea is much convincing than mine. I really hope Devs would seriously consider about this.

[White]

I hope so too. I'm not asking for anything to be changed. Just expand upon what's already there.

[Brian Sirith]

"Once that is over, Eryk now has to prepare to face Atana, but since he killed the king himself, no other king would be willing to help him, making the situation much harder."

Yeaaah but... Im not trying to save my daughter, the idiot is already dead so where is the drama in that? Its not personal. Its just another war. The 2nd half had the suspense of trying to save her and the heartbreak of failing. Otherwise what is left? A war prep? Meh!

Thats my take anyway.

And tbh I dont mind that it is forced and I'm really big on player agency. But in this case if it were not we would all save her and the story would be much more run of the mill. Sure more options are good but who lets a 13 year old girl get burned at the stake? I wouldnt and the story would fall flat.

Finally, even if they did give an option to save her it should be a last minute thing. Like you somehow organise an escape at week 48 or something. Throwing Ivo off the wall is would take away all the suspense and kill off a great villain before you had even the time to loathe him properly.

[Rad Shiba]

That is also a very valid point. I really got into the game after the letter.

They could make something like New game+, which unlocks few other choices. I just really want to save her, that event broke my heart too much.

[White]

Remember that at the meeting on the wall the the player still doesn't know the circumstances surrounding Radovia, nor the extent of Ivo's madness. I doubt anyone would let let him off knowing what would happen. But at that point in time, Radovia was very much a threat, and Ivo, although a bastard even then, just reaffirmed the allience after publicly announcing his father avanged during the trial.

I don't see what's wrong with a story where a king choses to be a father first, risking losing everything for the sake of protecting his family.

And I don't know about others, but I don't have what it takes to start another playthrough knowing I'd never be able to change Lorsulia's fate. Which is a big shame, given I'd love to spend more time in the world.

[Brian Sirith]

Originally posted by David-CZ:

Remember that at the meeting on the wall the the player still doesn't know the circumstances surrounding Radovia, nor the extent of Ivo's madness. I doubt anyone would let let him off knowing what would happen. But at that point in time, Radovia was very much a threat, and Ivo, although a bastard even then, just reaffirmed the allience after publicly announcing his father avanged during the trial.

I don't see what's wrong with a story where a king choses to be a father first, risking losing everything for the sake of protecting his family.

There’s nothing wrong with choosing family first but you would make a crappy king. You have barbarians at your gates and Ivo -who is beating your daughter that much you know- is the only way you know to save hundreds of other people. Throw Ivo off that wall and you’re ok with the farmer being killed, his wife and teenaged daughter raped. As you said at that point you think the worst of the Radovians. Hundreds of men, women and children will die for your daughter. But it’s ok for other young girls to be abused, burned alive and raped as long as you get your girl away from Ivo?

As a father it’s a valid choice yes. But I wouldn’t want such a man as a king. You’re not risking losing everything YOU own. You are not risking money or property. You are risking other people’s lives. If you can’t understand that the people under your rule are a responsibility you shouldn’t be King.

My take anyway.

At any rate: even if you could save her throwing Ivo off the wall just seems like a bad idea that would spoil the story.

And I’m off :D

[White]

Originally posted by Brian Sirith:

Originally posted by David-CZ:

Remember that at the meeting on the wall the the player still doesn't know the circumstances surrounding Radovia, nor the extent of Ivo's madness. I doubt anyone would let let him off knowing what would happen. But at that point in time, Radovia was very much a threat, and Ivo, although a bastard even then, just reaffirmed the allience after publicly announcing his father avanged during the trial.

I don't see what's wrong with a story where a king choses to be a father first, risking losing everything for the sake of protecting his family.

There’s nothing wrong with choosing family first but you would make a crappy king. You have barbarians at your gates and Ivo -who is beating your daughter that much you know- is the only way you know to save hundreds of other people. Throw Ivo off that wall and you’re ok with the farmer being killed, his wife and teenaged daughter raped. As you said at that point you think the worst of the Radovians. Hundreds of men, women and children will die for your daughter. But it’s ok for other young girls to be abused, burned alive and raped as long as you get your girl away from Ivo?

As a father it’s a valid choice yes. But I wouldn’t want such a man as a king. You’re not risking losing everything YOU own. You are not risking money or property. You are risking other people’s lives. If you can’t understand that the people under your rule are a responsibility you shouldn’t be King.

That's exactly why I don't think having the option to kill Ivo at that time would in any way lessen the story.

You make the choice to save Lorsulia in exchange for the safety of your people, and however that turns out is something you have to deal with. But it's YOUR decision that would lead to that.

This isn't meant to offend you personally, but so far I haven't found any of your arguments convincing.

And as I said, I don't want anything changed. The story that's there can stay as is. I just want more options. And for a game that's about choices to not have one for one of the most important parts of the story is just sad.

[Marcus Butthurticus]

I can see one also saying "No" to Telys in the beginning. Having to rely on your own armies, seeing how you defeat them with "luck" and then have the king die back home or at a banquett in your castle to cause the war anyway. But your daughter is "safe". Hell, even let her marry Beyran (spelling?) if she finds him a kind man even if he is an barbarian. That be hell of a twist to the plot. EDIT: If the barbarian king marries the daughter...the odd curse is fulfilled also.