how come people think brother nier and yonah have incest undertones?

[tokki.]

i noticed that when i talk to people who prefer father nier than brother nier, it's because of the incest undertones and how creepy brother nier is to yonah?

i really don't get it because 1. isn't brother nier just overprotective because his sister is sick? and 2. i wouldn't wanna lose the only family i have so i understand where his overprotectiveness is coming from.

some people say it's because he spoils her too much? i think he's just indulging/humoring her like how we do with kids. is that really creepy?

i only watched automata completely and this is my first nier game, never experienced the father nier/gestalt version. just wanted to know your thoughts.

[Peelsepuuppi]

What the ♥♥♥♥ are you talking about? Your post is the first time I have ever even heard of "incest undertones" in the context of Nier.

Edit: I Googled "Nier Incest undertones" and the first thing that came up was a ResetEra thread, which explains a lot.

[Mane]

What? Never heard of it lol. I prefer brother Nier over father Nier and I never found any incest undertones there. I think the same as you: he's just overprotective about Yonah, but nothing more. He spoils her too much? Maybe, in fact I kinda agree with that, but I think it's understandable in that context and situation.

[Roberto]

Because some people are just weird... that's about as simple as an answer as I can give.

[censorship = death :(]

Originally posted by ToveriJuri:

What the ♥♥♥♥ are you talking about? Your post is the first time I have ever even heard of "incest undertones" in the context of Nier.

Edit: I Googled "Nier Incest undertones" and the first thing that came up was a ResetEra thread, which explains a lot.

OH

THAT DOES EXPLAIN A LOT.

[Gnynt]

This is a common theory people throw at this version of the game with no real basis.

Nothing supports this idea and people who throw it around either are completely unaware or willfully ignorant of the pseudo-incestual relationship in Drakengard 1, which was deliberately made unpalletable because Taro actually finds those weird incestual relationships commonly found in anime (especially around that time period) to be gross and creepy.

There is no incest undertones between Nier and Yonah, and any you perceive are likely unresolved issues in your own familial relationships or an attempt to read something bad into it to justify liking Papa-nier better.

There is nothing wrong with liking Papa-Nier better, but forcing this idea to justify it is silly, and applies just as much to Papa as it does to Brother-Nier because almost nothing is changed between the two besides saying "Dad" or "Brother".

[lessthanoff]

Pretty sure that rumor was only started as some kind of jab against young anime protagonists, and how they tend to have weird relationships with their younger sisters as some kind of trope.

I don't know.

But there's nothing like that in this game. Going off of what Gnynt said: believe me, if there was anything along those lines going on, we would know, because Yoko Taro hates that trope and would set it on fire like he did in Drakengard.

[♪ 𝐿𝒾𝓈𝒶 ♪]

Originally posted by ToveriJuri:

What the ♥♥♥♥ are you talking about? Your post is the first time I have ever even heard of "incest undertones" in the context of Nier.

Edit: I Googled "Nier Incest undertones" and the first thing that came up was a ResetEra thread, which explains a lot.

Oof ok that really explains alot. I was like wait what? But yeh if it's that place then no wonder.

[Mr. Brokencyde]

Stop talking to r3tards from lunatic cuckold sites like resetera and somethingawful for starters.

[BuddyGuy]

Originally posted by censorship = death :(:

Originally posted by ToveriJuri:

ResetEra

OH

THAT DOES EXPLAIN A LOT.

That was 10 minutes of my life lost forever.

[Medusahead]

It's a Japanese cultural norm to be protective over little sisters, there's nothing sexual about it. This is why they had to make Nier Gestalt for the west because western players "wouldn't get it".

[Scouali]

Originally posted by Medusahead:

It's a Japanese cultural norm to be protective over little sisters, there's nothing sexual about it. This is why they had to make Nier Gestalt for the west because western players "wouldn't get it".

is that really why ? Like we wouldn't understand A big brother caring for her sister ? wow

[Kenuty]

Originally posted by Scouali:

Originally posted by Medusahead:

It's a Japanese cultural norm to be protective over little sisters, there's nothing sexual about it. This is why they had to make Nier Gestalt for the west because western players "wouldn't get it".

is that really why ? Like we wouldn't understand A big brother caring for her sister ? wow

he grew up probably hating his brothers and sisters and didn't give a flying ♥♥♥♥ about em. Can't blame some kids these days

[Peelsepuuppi]

Originally posted by Scouali:

Originally posted by Medusahead:

It's a Japanese cultural norm to be protective over little sisters, there's nothing sexual about it. This is why they had to make Nier Gestalt for the west because western players "wouldn't get it".

is that really why ? Like we wouldn't understand A big brother caring for her sister ? wow

It wasn't because western players wouldn't get it's because They felt that western players would relate better to the story with dad Nier and I don't think it's wrong.

Japan used to view and to an extent still views gaming as a hobby for kids.

In the West gaming isn't seen like that anymore. The daddening of video games happened in the west because both gamers and developers were becoming parents.

The relationship of dad/daughter is more relatable to an adult audience than teenage boy/ sister. The Square Enix execs were just reading their market fright for once.

[Mojo]

Clearly no incest undertones in this game, how can you tell? because he's not her STEP brother

[Redblaze27]

Well, your first problem is using ResetEra for information.