Ending questions

[lolic_lol]

After passing the game, I could not understand - who and why destroyed the Earth.
At first it seems that the Moon and the Earth died because of the tests of the new engine.
Then, in the records of the evil AI, you can find references to the fact that this is his work.
Finally, in the end credits, we are told that the apocalypse was inevitable, and we were only using a window of opportunity.
It seems that the developers just really wanted to destroy the Earth, but they never decided why.

[BobThePenguin]

During the Romulus ending, the DOLOS guy said he found out that the Lunarclypse was inevitable and could not be avoided.

The Edden AI says she knew the Lunarclypse was going to happen so the engine test timing was changed to allow the ship to travel through time.

The reports you find about the VOHLE engine indicate that it would cause cataclysmic events every time it is used. The weird science missions you go on seem to show increasing amounts of the particles that the VOHLE / IXION drives generate, suggesting that the universe is getting more and more unstable and we start seeing alternate dimensions and even our own destroyed ship bleeding through into our universe. Or are we even in "our" universe anymore?

Anyway, it seems that Vanir foresaw (is he a time traveller?!) that the Earth was going to be destroyed one way or another, so he picked a path that would allow humanity to survive its inevitable doom even if he had to cause it himself.

One other interesting thing - the hackers near the end say they discovered that Edden already had knowledge of the location of Romulus and Remus and the big bad ship and all that before we retrieved it ourselves. Did she have this knowledge from the very start? Did Vanir somehow know about these two planets and the ultimate outcome of our adventure before he sent us off to the future to chase it?

[lolic_lol]

Yes, as I said, unfortunately, there is little certainty.
Too vague information, and too many questions. This step of the developers is not clear.
I doubt these questions will be answered in the DLC.

[Random Task]

Originally posted by lolic_lol:

in the records of the evil AI, you can find references to the fact that this is his work

The AIs or whatever they are seem to have memories and/or personalities of the people that had them created.
Maybe Battista arranged for the original engine to be sabotaged and the AI has the memories of that?

[[OMC]One Man Clan]

One thing I don't get is how the Ashiganites got to Remus first, constructed 3 hidden temples, then live through three generations before anyone else got there. As far as we can tell there were only four large scale ships with VOHLE engines ever made:
The Tiqqun, Protageros, Entenamenki and Piranisse. All four are accounted for by the end of the game, so how did the Ashiganites get to Remus? They clearly didn't hitch a ride on any of those ships.

My current theory is that the Protageros might have begun colonisation of Remus shortly after the lunaclysm, and was intercepted by the UN as it returned to Earth. But this contradicts Vanir's ending speech that the Tiqqun mission was the only real hope for humanity. The ashiganite presence on Remus upon our arrival technically means that humanity has already been saved. I really don't get it.

There's also more questions:
How did BMS build the Piranessi without anyone noticing? Sure the Protageros was assembled in secret within Jupiter, but it's roughly the same size has the Tiqqun. The Piranessi is way bigger and would need a more obvious assembly structure like the Entenameki.

Who is Naomi? Why is she only ever mentioned in passing? Is Edden Naomi or at least a copy of Naomi?

What exactly is the philosophy of genetic conatus and it's relationship with self-same space? The most obvious explanation is it's about adapting the human species through genetic modifications, but there seems to be a mystical component to the ideology that isn't elaborated on.

This game has a fascinating story and has left me with so many questions.

[BobThePenguin]

Originally posted by OMCOne Man Clan:

One thing I don't get is how the Ashiganites got to Remus first, constructed 3 hidden temples, then live through three generations before anyone else got there. As far as we can tell there were only four large scale ships with VOHLE engines ever made:
The Tiqqun, Protageros, Entenamenki and Piranisse. All four are accounted for by the end of the game, so how did the Ashiganites get to Remus? They clearly didn't hitch a ride on any of those ships.

I don't even remember when the Ashiganites first popped up in the story. Which faction were they associated with? Did they have a ship? It seemed to me that I reached Chapter 5 and suddenly they were aliens trying to consume my essence...?

Who is Naomi? Why is she only ever mentioned in passing? Is Edden Naomi or at least a copy of Naomi?

My thought is that the Administrator (who is almost certainly NOT a human) is Naomi's ultimate fate as her consciousness echoes on in her tomb of metal. The "Naomi Protocol" is then the Administrator going around the DOLOS restrictions.

[Random Task]

The Ashiganites were going to die without your intervention (if you want to and are fast enough) since the BMS knew where they were from the Entenameki and presumably would have shown up and killed them at some point. So I don't think humanity was saved without you.
How they got to Remus I'm not entirely clear on either.

[BobThePenguin]

Originally posted by OMCOne Man Clan:

My current theory is that the Protageros might have begun colonisation of Remus shortly after the lunaclysm, and was intercepted by the UN as it returned to Earth. But this contradicts Vanir's ending speech that the Tiqqun mission was the only real hope for humanity. The ashiganite presence on Remus upon our arrival technically means that humanity has already been saved. I really don't get it.

Given how utterly MESSED UP the whole system is when we arrive, my guess is that the VOHLE/IXION drives were already used quite heavily in the area. Things seem to get more and more messed up the closer we get to the end.

I wonder if perhaps the DOLOS group were using time travel, or perhaps using the universe-warping capabilities to produce these alien-like creatures in the first place.

[[OMC]One Man Clan]

Originally posted by BobThePenguin:

I don't even remember when the Ashiganites first popped up in the story. Which faction were they associated with? Did they have a ship? It seemed to me that I reached Chapter 5 and suddenly they were aliens trying to consume my essence...?

They were a tranhumanist sect that seemed heavily influenced by the teachings of Bajaville from the Marduk council. They were allied with DOLOS and supplied the Tiqqun with food prior to the first jump. You can find one of their bases in chapter 3 I think.

[lolic_lol]

My opinion is that the developers were too inspired by the first Homeworld (and its Cataclysm DLC), but they could not put the ideas of these games into one picture.
As a result, we got another game, to understand the plot of which you need to watch the guesses of "experts" on YouTube.

[[OMC]One Man Clan]

Originally posted by lolic_lol:

My opinion is that the developers were too inspired by the first Homeworld (and its Cataclysm DLC), but they could not put the ideas of these games into one picture.
As a result, we got another game, to understand the plot of which you need to watch the guesses of "experts" on YouTube.

The developers were inspired by quite a lot of things... If this is a case of the story being incoherent because they tried to stuff all the things they liked into the game instead of weaving them into a whole that we're only scratching the surface of it would be saddening.

...still a cool game though.