IXION
RobOda Dec 11, 2022 @ 12:48am
Finished it, don’t really get the ending. (Spoilers)
So, edden got us the job as the admin, sabotaged the engine to time travel (only launch window) because according to their predictions the moon was going to be destroyed by humanity regardless and it could not be stopped? So, by time travelling, we could pick up the pieces and act as an ark for humanity.

Do I understand that right?

But is she basically lying? Since by the final chapter she’s obscuring the planet Romulus and encouraging humanity to modify itself into space elves.

So, which is true? Is Romulus a real, viable planet? If you pick that option, Remus pretty much shuts down and doesn’t matter anymore. 🤔.

Or is this all a fever dream of the administrator, who clearly loves Star Trek (or Roman mythology whatever) and that last vohle jump basically liquified the remainder of their brain?
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Shintai Dec 11, 2022 @ 3:18am 
The game seems you to primary want you to be a complete altered reborn new race. Unfortunately a bit like what the western world tries to be now. It´s all or nothing, no compromise.

I settled with Romulus instead of Remus for the same reasons. Giving up being human to settle on Remus was not an option. Remus couldn´t defend itself either and didn´t want to coexist.

But besides that, game really needs a sandbox mode. Lots more fun to be had if it wasnt for the story mode. After completion run I don´t feel there is anything left in the game, until they add some kind of free mode sandbox.
It's not very clear how they knew the moon was going to blow up. It's possible it wasn't even humanity's fault. We do get references here and there of some sort of self-similar space entities but it's never expanded upon.

The story to be honest has a lot of holes. I was hoping for more mystery that gets resolved overtime but it never really reaches that point.

We get 0 explanation for the BMS and why it turned out that way as far as I can recall.
XartaX Dec 11, 2022 @ 9:08am 
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I airlocked Edden instantly once I realized it was leading me to consort with xenos. I let the zombie ship eat them, and settled Romulus.

I don't see the difference between assimilating to some alien hippie commune and an alien spaceship. They deserved each other.

Fu*king xenos, kill them all. I only wish there was an option to violently purge them and take both planets.
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Fat_Toad Dec 11, 2022 @ 9:34am 
Originally posted by XartaX:
I airlocked Edden instantly once I realized it was leading me to consort with xenos. I let the zombie ship eat them, and settled Romulus.

I don't see the difference between assimilating to some alien hippie commune and an alien spaceship. They deserved each other.

Fu*king xenos, kill them all. I only wish there was an option to violently purge them and take both planets.

Only good xeno is a dead xeno.
XartaX Dec 11, 2022 @ 9:35am 
Originally posted by Fat_Toad:
Originally posted by XartaX:
I airlocked Edden instantly once I realized it was leading me to consort with xenos. I let the zombie ship eat them, and settled Romulus.

I don't see the difference between assimilating to some alien hippie commune and an alien spaceship. They deserved each other.

Fu*king xenos, kill them all. I only wish there was an option to violently purge them and take both planets.

Only good xeno is a dead xeno.
Yes
Aeternum Dec 11, 2022 @ 9:56am 
I also chose to settle on Romulus because there is no way I'm going through such a journey only to end up losing my identity.

Although Tiqqun is followed by a relentless AI bent on assimilation and therefore causes the extinction of the people of Remus (unless you are prepared and quick). Damn you Battista. You find peace-loving space elves who are distant cousins of yours and you bring the destructive nature of humanity to them.

What a journey though. I really loved this game.
[TAG]Alblaka Dec 11, 2022 @ 10:10am 
Originally posted by RobOda:
So, edden got us the job as the admin, sabotaged the engine to time travel (only launch window) because according to their predictions the moon was going to be destroyed by humanity regardless and it could not be stopped?

Where is this lore revealed in-game?
mario-2000 Dec 11, 2022 @ 12:50pm 
No way i am joining the commie space elves that apparently don't believe in merit, free will and common sense. Commie philosophy is truly obnoxious.
moonlightavenger Dec 11, 2022 @ 12:56pm 
Oh, well... I wish I had read this before I wasted the 2 hours before refund trying to learn the game.
Dr. Gonzo Dec 11, 2022 @ 1:18pm 
Originally posted by TAGAlblaka:
Originally posted by RobOda:
So, edden got us the job as the admin, sabotaged the engine to time travel (only launch window) because according to their predictions the moon was going to be destroyed by humanity regardless and it could not be stopped?

Where is this lore revealed in-game?

It's not, other than small fragments you can gather (in chapter 4 you encounter a time paradox).

Ending has its head up its own butt, like its trying to be Interstellar or something.
RobOda Dec 11, 2022 @ 2:23pm 
Originally posted by TAGAlblaka:
Originally posted by RobOda:
So, edden got us the job as the admin, sabotaged the engine to time travel (only launch window) because according to their predictions the moon was going to be destroyed by humanity regardless and it could not be stopped?

Where is this lore revealed in-game?

Well YMMV on interpretation but it's directly from the ending scenes;

Ending.

Edden's last message:

"Perhaps you already understand why I insisted, why the mission launch was precipitated. When I discovered that the Lunaclysm was inevitable, I also understood that any attempt to save our species after this (event) would have been doomed to fail.

You took the helm in the only launch window available to us."

So from that;

1. Edden knew/predicted the Lunclysm was going to happen, humanity would fail and die in all predictive models.

2. She therefore caused the mission launch to occur earlier than planned (I'm using precipitated's definition for 'premature' as the launch wasn't unexpected, although you could argue it also means 'unexpectedly' for us considering the outcome.) This would also account for the skeleton crews etc.

3. The last line implies the launch happened during the only window available for time travel, in which case, this would support the launch being 'premature' than planned;

The engine was sabotaged to launch through time and not necessarily arrive at Proxima - this is also basically what is told in chapter 1, where Edden is clever as she's telling you half-truths masked as lies. And you get the hints from the diagnosis as well. Hence why we port through and arrived back at the moon in a different 'time', when we should be moving from place to place.

4. There are various hints that time/reality has been breached elsewhere too; Chapter 4 has the destroyed Ixion, but there's other science events where alternative reality crew pop up (the mirrors, or the sphere for example). Whether this means we travelled through to a different reality as well as time, is speculation too.

5. This all depends whether Edden is telling the truth anyway, in the last chapter she's pretty much lying about Romulus, blocking your scans and information access, so it stands to reason she could have been doing this from the start, and you're getting botched info throughout. It could also be the encounter with the Electronics warfare in Chapter 4 has basically pushed it over the edge.
Helixien Dec 11, 2022 @ 2:36pm 
Originally posted by RobOda:
Originally posted by TAGAlblaka:

Where is this lore revealed in-game?

Well YMMV on interpretation but it's directly from the ending scenes;

Ending.

Edden's last message:

"Perhaps you already understand why I insisted, why the mission launch was precipitated. When I discovered that the Lunaclysm was inevitable, I also understood that any attempt to save our species after this (event) would have been doomed to fail.

You took the helm in the only launch window available to us."

So from that;

1. Edden knew/predicted the Lunclysm was going to happen, humanity would fail and die in all predictive models.

2. She therefore caused the mission launch to occur earlier than planned (I'm using precipitated's definition for 'premature' as the launch wasn't unexpected, although you could argue it also means 'unexpectedly' for us considering the outcome.) This would also account for the skeleton crews etc.

3. The last line implies the launch happened during the only window available for time travel, in which case, this would support the launch being 'premature' than planned;

The engine was sabotaged to launch through time and not necessarily arrive at Proxima - this is also basically what is told in chapter 1, where Edden is clever as she's telling you half-truths masked as lies. And you get the hints from the diagnosis as well. Hence why we port through and arrived back at the moon in a different 'time', when we should be moving from place to place.

4. There are various hints that time/reality has been breached elsewhere too; Chapter 4 has the destroyed Ixion, but there's other science events where alternative reality crew pop up (the mirrors, or the sphere for example). Whether this means we travelled through to a different reality as well as time, is speculation too.

5. This all depends whether Edden is telling the truth anyway, in the last chapter she's pretty much lying about Romulus, blocking your scans and information access, so it stands to reason she could have been doing this from the start, and you're getting botched info throughout. It could also be the encounter with the Electronics warfare in Chapter 4 has basically pushed it over the edge.

If you save the P.A. from the Protagoras, the ending text is nearly the same. And that P.A. is after all the guy behind DOLOS (whos name I forgot). So is this really Edden that planed all of it or was Edden just the tool to guide you?
Originally posted by RobOda:
Originally posted by TAGAlblaka:

So from that;

1. Edden knew/predicted the Lunclysm was going to happen, humanity would fail and die in all predictive models.

2. She therefore caused the mission launch to occur earlier than planned (I'm using precipitated's definition for 'premature' as the launch wasn't unexpected, although you could argue it also means 'unexpectedly' for us considering the outcome.) This would also account for the skeleton crews etc.
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Those are very good points! I was thinking about story too, because some p[arts do not have too much sense to me.

But still many questions remauns unanswered, like why Lunaclisma was unvoidable, and what exactly caused it - some military research on the Moon?

Still I really wish that ending will be more interesting and creative.
{sBc} Bane5 Dec 11, 2022 @ 2:50pm 
My impression of the ending story reveal was that the Tiqqun's IXION engine could only jump into the future and back at the exact moment of the lunaclysm and while being in its proximity.

Some kind of closed time-loop paradox was created as a result where future events could influence past events.

This is what offered humans salvation.
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{sBc} Bane5 Dec 11, 2022 @ 2:53pm 
I wasn't impressed at the romulus and remus choice though. The green people said you had to adapt to their ways to avoid extinction..... only to cry that that they were about to go extinct when the evil drone ship appeared. And it was your technology and industrialized ways that offered the only hope to save them from the brink of death.

It was kinda of clear to me at that point that accepting their offer to live in "communion with nature" was a bad idea for the survival of the species. Disconnected EDDEN immediately.
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