What is your "go to" gem?

[hoyaguru]

What do you generally start an endurance run with? I mix two yellows, a red, and a purple, then just upgrade this as I go. Some fields might need a green instead of a purple, but I hardly ever use blue. And I find that I rarely use a pure gem, unless it is in a trap. Just wondering what everyone else mixes up at the start.

[Azzy]

Curious what your wizard level is?

My go to setup:
Pure blue trap at start, just before mana farm
5x pure orange traps, with 10x orange amps

Then for the killing zone:
Red lantern and blue lantern with amps (purely for debuffing)
3x pure yellow traps with 6x yellow amps

I'm a very high wizard level though, with a lot of points dumped into traps, amps, amplifiers, yellow, orange, true colours, and resonance. Low level dual is great (never triple colour though), 3 yellows and another colour is a great setup. At some point you want to transition to pure gems though.

[fractalgem]

I'm at the point where a pure yellow tower with 8 amps, a mana farm, and some support blue and/or red lanterns is the way to go. Eventually a pure yellow trap will be the best way to go but I"m not quite at that point.

[hoyaguru]

Azzy, I'm just at a lowly WL of 235. Taking it slow, doing a few fields a day. At the point where I'm re-doing endurance in a bunch of fields for higher scores. Still trying to get a bunch of trials, haven't given in yet to watch videos on how to get through them, but after the 8th or so try, it's very tempting...

[Azzy]

Originally posted by hoyaguru:

Azzy, I'm just at a lowly WL of 235. Taking it slow, doing a few fields a day. At the point where I'm re-doing endurance in a bunch of fields for higher scores. Still trying to get a bunch of trials, haven't given in yet to watch videos on how to get through them, but after the 8th or so try, it's very tempting...

Don't fret about trials for now, some are still being worked on and balanced. Have you started looking at mana farms? You need to put some skill points into traps and orange, if you have those skills, but once you start them, you'll rocket up in levels :)

[fractalgem]

Originally posted by hoyaguru:

Azzy, I'm just at a lowly WL of 235. Taking it slow, doing a few fields a day. At the point where I'm re-doing endurance in a bunch of fields for higher scores. Still trying to get a bunch of trials, haven't given in yet to watch videos on how to get through them, but after the 8th or so try, it's very tempting...

Oh, that's at the point where you can use a pure yellow gem!

Use seperate pure red (lantern or trap) and seperate pure yellow at your stage, even without a mana farm.

You'll get a much better result that way.

WITH a mana farm, you can easily get 500k to 1 mill exp even if you don't play so well, and 1 mill to 6 mill if you play really well.

[Brainy]

i would suggest starting off with 1 mana trap and 1 slow before that like 2-3 piles before mana gemtrap, 1 bleeding trap right before the killgem range (keep it in that range maybe add a bigger gab between kill and bleed gem) then upgrade step by step to a 6 amp 3 mana trap and a 2 amp slow and bleed gem also 8 amp tower, but do that step by step no rush, this way you might even get some more endurance stones. always focus on the mana gem upgrade (enhance them with barrage 30% more specials, also enhance the bleed and slow trap with beam)

keep the mana trap 2 lvls higher than your kill gem, this way you have some spare lvls if you get overrun.

you can also tell us your skills you using so we can help you better getting startet.

im WL 1k and im alrdy thinking about switching from towers to traps (killgem).

[hoyaguru]

Wow, thanks for the advice! Didn't think I was high enough level yet for a mana farm, guess I'll have to try one out. I'm hitting 400k to 500k in endurance now, gaining one or two levels per endurance run, would be nice to double that or more.

[Marosh]

Originally posted by hoyaguru:

Wow, thanks for the advice! Didn't think I was high enough level yet for a mana farm, guess I'll have to try one out. I'm hitting 400k to 500k in endurance now, gaining one or two levels per endurance run, would be nice to double that or more.

At this point, you can also give this a shot:

Enraging:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1106530/discussions/0/1737762134388340519/

I assume, you are still doing the story? Ignore the aggressive enraging and do a shy one. That is easy to do. Aggressive enraging is something, if you have the yellow gem unlocked.

Before that, Traits are important. Their a some good one and some bad one. It's an orderd list (marked as answer).

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1106530/discussions/0/1745643868487528405/

So add 1 or 2 with level 6 or 12 and see, what you can handle. The first 4 should be doable. Strenght in numbers could be to much right now, because trap setups (traps ignore armor) are quite harsh at 250+. Insulation could work, if you have a mana farm. I never did insulation in low WL, so its just a guess. The low firerate of your mana traps might be a problme.

For your gem choice. If you don't have the yellow gem unlocked:
Use dual gems. Don't mix more than 2 different colors.
If this map has yellow per default: Use yellow, if you can get the crit chance to ~40-50% as a pure gem. With a mana farm, it's doable.

If not, Armor is your first choice. Mix it with, 1. Slow (highest raw dmg), 2. Crit, 3. Bleed 4. something else.

So a armor/slow would be nice, if you have both gems. We are not intrested in specials. If we need special, put the pure gem in a trap. Bleed and slow trap, as someone said.
With Yellow Skill unlocked, it's still just a pure yellow.

If you try everything together at once, you might be in trouble. So take it slowly. WL will come and it get's faster and faster until ~WL50.000

[sresk]

Originally posted by Azzy:

Curious what your wizard level is?

My go to setup:
Pure blue trap at start, just before mana farm
5x pure orange traps, with 10x orange amps

Then for the killing zone:
Red lantern and blue lantern with amps (purely for debuffing)
3x pure yellow traps with 6x yellow amps

I'm a very high wizard level though, with a lot of points dumped into traps, amps, amplifiers, yellow, orange, true colours, and resonance. Low level dual is great (never triple colour though), 3 yellows and another colour is a great setup. At some point you want to transition to pure gems though.

This is exactly my setup, and I started that at wl300 still use it at wl1500

[Awesome8Dude]

Originally posted by hoyaguru:

What do you generally start an endurance run with? I mix two yellows, a red, and a purple, then just upgrade this as I go. Some fields might need a green instead of a purple, but I hardly ever use blue. And I find that I rarely use a pure gem, unless it is in a trap. Just wondering what everyone else mixes up at the start.

I ususaly do 1 pure blue trap, 3-6 pure mana traps surrounded by amps, 1 pure purple, 1 pure red trap, 3 pure yellow traps surrounded by amps. For bosses i do pure crit, pure red, pure purple surrounded by 8 amps each in tower. Keep boss gems in amps until boss shows up. targeting Special creature makes game go 1 fps.

[Azzy]

Originally posted by Awesome8Dude:

Originally posted by hoyaguru:

What do you generally start an endurance run with? I mix two yellows, a red, and a purple, then just upgrade this as I go. Some fields might need a green instead of a purple, but I hardly ever use blue. And I find that I rarely use a pure gem, unless it is in a trap. Just wondering what everyone else mixes up at the start.

I ususaly do 1 pure blue trap, 3-6 pure mana traps surrounded by amps, 1 pure purple, 1 pure red trap, 3 pure yellow traps surrounded by amps. For bosses i do pure crit, pure red, pure purple surrounded by 8 amps each in tower. Keep boss gems in amps until boss shows up. targeting Special creature makes game go 1 fps.

Why purple?

[hoyaguru]

Originally posted by fractalgem:

Originally posted by hoyaguru:

Azzy, I'm just at a lowly WL of 235. Taking it slow, doing a few fields a day. At the point where I'm re-doing endurance in a bunch of fields for higher scores. Still trying to get a bunch of trials, haven't given in yet to watch videos on how to get through them, but after the 8th or so try, it's very tempting...

Oh, that's at the point where you can use a pure yellow gem!

Use seperate pure red (lantern or trap) and seperate pure yellow at your stage, even without a mana farm.

You'll get a much better result that way.

WITH a mana farm, you can easily get 500k to 1 mill exp even if you don't play so well, and 1 mill to 6 mill if you play really well.

I tried just Yellow, but I found that the pure gem doesn't come close to a dual or triple gem.

My setup: 30 points in Mana Stream, Fusion, and True Colors, 35 in Resonance. No points in any gem colors.

Made three level 5 gems, a pure yellow, a yellow/purple, and a yellow/purple/red.

Yellow:
Damage: 198 - 400
Range: 7.5
Shots per Second: 2.34

Yellow/Purple:
Damage: 210 - 468
Range: 7.3
Shots per Second: 2.48

Yellow/Purple/Red:
Damage: 222 - 474
Range: 7.5
Shots per Second: 2.43

And the differences just get bigger as I upgrade the gems, the pure gem gets left in the dust except for Range. Not sure how following your advice would help, going with the pure yellow. Am I doing something wrong?

[Azzy]

Originally posted by hoyaguru:

Originally posted by fractalgem:

Oh, that's at the point where you can use a pure yellow gem!

Use seperate pure red (lantern or trap) and seperate pure yellow at your stage, even without a mana farm.

You'll get a much better result that way.

WITH a mana farm, you can easily get 500k to 1 mill exp even if you don't play so well, and 1 mill to 6 mill if you play really well.

I tried just Yellow, but I found that the pure gem doesn't come close to a dual or triple gem.

My setup: 30 points in Mana Stream, Fusion, and True Colors, 35 in Resonance. No points in any gem colors.

Made three level 5 gems, a pure yellow, a yellow/purple, and a yellow/purple/red.

Yellow:
Damage: 198 - 400
Range: 7.5
Shots per Second: 2.34

Yellow/Purple:
Damage: 210 - 468
Range: 7.3
Shots per Second: 2.48

Yellow/Purple/Red:
Damage: 222 - 474
Range: 7.5
Shots per Second: 2.43

And the differences just get bigger as I upgrade the gems, the pure gem gets left in the dust except for Range. Not sure how following your advice would help, going with the pure yellow. Am I doing something wrong?

You're only looking at the base damage, not the special. Post the same info and include the damage multiplier.

Edit: my grade 2 yellow vs grade 2 yellow/purple

Pure:
Damage: 884-1649
Range: 6.6
Shots: 1.42
Special: 80% for 44.47x

Effective average damage: 64,340 damage per second

Dual:
Damage: 959-1979
Range: 6.4
Shots: 1.51
Special: 80% for 23.9x

Effective average damage: 42,855 damage per second

[sresk]

Exactly jazzy. And the pure yellow only wins harder the higher the grade. Its several orders of magnitude difference when you get into the grade 20+ range

[hoyaguru]

Azzy,

Thanks, I wasn't taking specials into consideration. You must have a ton of points in gems, my level 5 pure yellow special is only 40% chance for X3.51 damage. Dual dropped it to 21% for X2.23. I should know better, I have over 2500 hours in Gemcraft CS, but it's been a while since I really got into the minutiae of the game.