Fighting Germans again...

[Dexter]

Every single videogame it's always Germans as the enemy. It's so f**king boring. There are like 3 other RTT games alone that I can think of where you're fighting WW2 Germans. I don't want to do it anymore. I'm tired of the same clichés. There's only so many "occupied towns" I can take before It becomes repetitive.

Let me escape from a Russian gulag or go on COUNTER-partisan hunts. Cold War era Operation Gladio stuff, ANYTHING. Where the hell is your originality? At least Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun was original. Silent Storm too was WW2 era but it was mixed with a fantasy element, (which I ultimately thought was a bit too over the top, but at least it was original).

[davidb11]

You play as Germans going against Germans in this game.
That's a pretty massive departure from normal games in WW2.
Where you play as Allies versus the Axis.

Also, did you just now find out about this game?

[Dexter]

Originally posted by davidb11:

You play as Germans going against Germans in this game.
That's a pretty massive departure from normal games in WW2.
Where you play as Allies versus the Axis.

Also, did you just now find out about this game?

That's not my point of contention. Read the first line of my post again.

I had this game wishlisted because I liked Hatred and Ancestors was alright, but I didn't know anything about it until I just checked again now to see the gameplay. Hatred was a very original and controversial game, but this... I don't know, it looks very cookie-cutter. At least they included the swastika uncensored.

[davidb11]

Okay. Fair enough point.

IT's just there's very few games where you fight the Germans as disillusioned German Soldiers.
That makes this game rather unique.

Even if it is indeed like almost every WW2 game out there.

The Swastika obviously would be uncensored, like in every single game featuring Nazis outside of Germany before they finally got rid of that censorshiip issue. :P In like 2015. :P

Fighting Russians isn't a common enough thing for many games to make about it to be honest.
I can't think of any off the top of my head.

Remember the old adage, you need to have enough people do something before it's common enough for people to actually do it.
That applies to making video games.

[Dexter]

Originally posted by davidb11:

The Swastika obviously would be uncensored, like in every single game featuring Nazis outside of Germany before they finally got rid of that censorshiip issue. :P In like 2015. :P

I don't know if you're being sarcastic of if you've been living under a rock but actually most WW2 games in the modern age censor the swastika. In fact, the censorship of the swastika got worst, not better over time due to the extreme liberal culture. In the first Call of Duty game (2003) the swastika was not censored outside of Germany. In Call of Duty: World War 2 (2017) there were no swastikas at all. You can find people literally in this forum talking about the swastika being censored in the game Partisans 1941, which came out recently.

Originally posted by davidb11:

Fighting Russians isn't a common enough thing for many games to make about it to be honest.
I can't think of any off the top of my head.

I don't even know what you're trying to say here. The sentence doesn't make grammatical sense. I assume English isn't your first language, so it's ok.

[davidb11]

Yes, I did not know about the censorship at all.

English is my first and only language.
That sentence is 100% perfect English grammatically.
I cannot think of any single game where you fight Russians. Therefore, it is not a common enough thing to make games about. That is what I said.

Now, I admit my last words were a bit confusing.
I should have clarified them.
But basically, if you want to see games made where you fight Russians, you're going to have to be patient and wait for people to break the mold first.

[Death over Life]

In today's Twilight Zone world, displaying a symbol now means you support said ideology even if you are completely against it.

We also live in a world where in order to "fix" history, you have to erase it. Funnily enough, these anti-free speech people don't understand history repeats itself and censorship actually accelerates it.

I don't expect the hakenkreuz to be censored for War Mongrels, but there are still many parts of the world where you can still get into legal troubles for displaying certain WWII symbols. Just look at the remaster of Commandos 2: Men of Courage. They even censored the JAPANESE symbols! I found out that was because they wanted the video game to be legal in China.

[utilityzero]

So, how does seeing a swastika benefit anyone? For claims of censorship to be taken seriously, there has to be an element of actual harm.

Not seeing nazi symbolism doesn't erase history. In fact this game seems to be a lot more interested in addressing the actual horrors of the war rather than pretending everyone was basically the same and respawned 10 seconds after dying.

We don't have to spread nazi symbolism to remember the horrors they visited on the world.

As to the original post, is there a reason you want to play as a nazi? If not, what does it matter? If so, why? Some people might be opposed to playing as a nazi, but how many people really want to play as one? And that begs the question why, and the answer to that question for some people, may be why creators aren't interested in catering to that particular demand.

[davidb11]

No offense, but how does that make any sense.
People throw words around so often, but they never actually use them correctly.
Doesn't matter what side.

It's like when people call people Nazis. It's just an insult. It's not a literal thing.
Life is too short to waste time arguing for the sake of arguing.

[Dexter]

Originally posted by davidb11:

No offense, but how does that make any sense.
People throw words around so often, but they never actually use them correctly.
Doesn't matter what side.

It's like when people call people Nazis. It's just an insult. It's not a literal thing.
Life is too short to waste time arguing for the sake of arguing.

Libtards are real and numerous though.

[davidb11]

What makes someone that though? Seriously.
People have used it constantly, over and over, but they've never explained it.

It seems to mean, "Someone who disagrees with me." For lack of a better term.

[davidb11]

Fair enough.
All I know is it's almost exclusively used as an insult, and well, insults only serve one purpose, and that's to make the person you're insulting angry at you.

Oh, and keep in mind, debate and discussion rules state the instant that you insult your opponent, you instantly lose the debate or the discussion.

[Dexter]

Originally posted by davidb11:

Oh, and keep in mind, debate and discussion rules state the instant that you insult your opponent, you instantly lose the debate or the discussion.

I simply do not abide by those rules. I am something of a renegade.

[davidb11]

Living dangerously is fine, but do understand, it has it's own consequences.

[Death over Life]

I am surprised this thread is unlocked!

Originally posted by utilityzero:

So, how does seeing a swastika benefit anyone? For claims of censorship to be taken seriously, there has to be an element of actual harm.

Not seeing nazi symbolism doesn't erase history. In fact this game seems to be a lot more interested in addressing the actual horrors of the war rather than pretending everyone was basically the same and respawned 10 seconds after dying.

We don't have to spread nazi symbolism to remember the horrors they visited on the world.

As to the original post, is there a reason you want to play as a nazi? If not, what does it matter? If so, why? Some people might be opposed to playing as a nazi, but how many people really want to play as one? And that begs the question why, and the answer to that question for some people, may be why creators aren't interested in catering to that particular demand.

Liberal or not, this is a good post to respond to in my opinion.

The Swastika is an ancient symbol of great importance to the ancient world and in modern times. It is prevalent in many different cultures and religions including Hinduism, Buddhism etc. The symbol itself is a neutral symbol that actually means good luck, good wealth etc. The symbol has literally been character assassinated and twisted to mean a symbol of hate. Who determined this? The very winners of WWII. There is power in the presence of symbols, whether one knows or not. That is why censorship is such a powerful lie-propaganda tool. I have also been noticing recently an anti-Japanese slant in modern-day movies, thanks to the influence of China on Hollywood nowadays. It's the same tactic, just a different setting. Censorship is a means of propaganda or lie-propaganda.

For a WWII game, there is a very important reason to allow people to play as Germany. There has recently been a global crackdown on dissenting opinions from liberalism. The worst and most evil thing you can be is a "Nazi". By perpetuating the myth of German villainy, you perpetuate liberalism and cancel-culture. By allowing one to play as what is described "the most evil group ever", you are instead allowing the game to take a neutral viewpoint on the subject matter and leave all bias to the eyes of the beholder. The typical WWII-style game is often just lie-propaganda or half truths.

In order for us to delve into the real history of WWII, we need to see BOTH sides of the war in a neutral setting, and that includes the imagery as well. We cannot have neutrality unless we can play all sides, leave out all biases via censorship or lie-propaganda, and let the players make the decision based of facts who are the "good guys" and "bad guys".

[davidb11]

The Swastika that the Nazis used was flipped 90 degrees.
That's a huge thing you left out.

They corrupted a symbol of peace.