They're re-selling the same game....?

[Maverick]

I mean, realistically this is just dungeon defenders 2 without the characters and skins you paid for, except now you're paying to play it with less content...

I don't really get what is really different about this that would justify the price tag, especially if they're going backwards in terms of graphical fidelity and art style (It's like they've regressed and downsized the company but are acting like it's somehow a step forward) while removing characters and probably going to charge for them later, a la the FAQ of:

"Q: Are there going to be microtransactions?
A: NOPE! Any additional content will be provided in the form of purchasable DLC (downloadable content), similar to the original Dungeon Defenders."

I don't mean to be a debbie downer, but it just feels like it's just a re-release of the same game with less features and worse art....

I'm just wondering why I should play this instead of just jumping back into Dungeon Defenders 2? Is there REALLY anything worth $40 here?

I want to clarify by stating that I really enjoy dungeon defenders as a series and I felt like 2 was at least stepping in the right direction by making the cast more diverse and giving us more tower types and abilities....now we're back to square one with Knight, mage, archer and monk again, and the monsters just look lifeless. It's like a PNG walking at you. What happened? Is there a lot of characters planned? Why disguise admitting microtransactions by saying "No, it's DLC, that's totally different"?

[Joker]

Because the DLC's will not be "micro" transactions. It won't be small DLC's like in DD1. It will be big DLC packs with lots of content, and from what they've said they will be much better value than in DD1.

If that's how you're feeling about the game, then either don't buy it or wait for the game to have a lot more content and to be on sale.

[Maverick]

Originally posted by TheJoker:

Because the DLC's will not be "micro" transactions. It won't be small DLC's like in DD1. It will be big DLC packs with lots of content, and from what they've said they will be much better value than in DD1.

If that's how you're feeling about the game, then either don't buy it or wait for the game to have a lot more content and to be on sale.

I mean, the question is WHY are they doing this. Why are they removing all the content and reselling the game? "Go away because you don't love it" isn't an answer for when a company is pulling something possibly shady....

[HardGeilhardt]

Actualy, atm its mixed content from DD1 and 2 but way more balanced. they will add a lot more stuff until Q3 there will be anything from the main story from DD1 and some stuff.
lets see how far they take it

[Joker]

Originally posted by Pixel Zed EX:

Originally posted by TheJoker:

Because the DLC's will not be "micro" transactions. It won't be small DLC's like in DD1. It will be big DLC packs with lots of content, and from what they've said they will be much better value than in DD1.

If that's how you're feeling about the game, then either don't buy it or wait for the game to have a lot more content and to be on sale.

I mean, the question is WHY are they doing this. Why are they removing all the content and reselling the game? "Go away because you don't love it" isn't an answer for when a company is pulling something possibly shady....

I personally don't see anything shady about it. They have been clear about what the game was from day 1. It's a reimagining of DD1 with elements from all the games from the franchise mixed with new content and features. The game is very early in development, there is a roadmap I suggest you take a look at to see what future content is planned so far, before DLC that will add even more content. If it's not to your liking vote with your wallet and don't buy it. I'm not telling you to go away like your suggesting, I was just pointing out that there's not much content currently, and if you're not willing to pay the full price of the game (that I agree is a bit to high), then wait for the game to have more content. And buy it at a lower price when it goes on sale.

[Alex]

Originally posted by Pixel Zed EX:

Originally posted by TheJoker:

Because the DLC's will not be "micro" transactions. It won't be small DLC's like in DD1. It will be big DLC packs with lots of content, and from what they've said they will be much better value than in DD1.

If that's how you're feeling about the game, then either don't buy it or wait for the game to have a lot more content and to be on sale.

I mean, the question is WHY are they doing this. Why are they removing all the content and reselling the game? "Go away because you don't love it" isn't an answer for when a company is pulling something possibly shady....

It's a remake in a new engine. The game is redone from scratch, and they want to make it a true blend of DD1 and DD2 mechanics. Which is good for me, it's interesting and it brings in more support to the DD experience. As someone said, if a remake is not what you want, you can just avoid buying.

[Ninja-star]

Originally posted by Alex:

Originally posted by Pixel Zed EX:

I mean, the question is WHY are they doing this. Why are they removing all the content and reselling the game? "Go away because you don't love it" isn't an answer for when a company is pulling something possibly shady....

just a question does the game include all dlc the first one had so all character and stuff like that? i was thinking of getting it but only if the price they charge comes with everything first one has

It's a remake in a new engine. The game is redone from scratch, and they want to make it a true blend of DD1 and DD2 mechanics. Which is good for me, it's interesting and it brings in more support to the DD experience. As someone said, if a remake is not what you want, you can just avoid buying.

[BeerGogglesFTW]

I would love to hear from the studio on this, because I've been uncertain as well. It seems unclear.

I mean, like you said... They said "No microtractions. It will have DLC like Dungeon Defenders"

Which is completely filled with Microtransaction (Labeled as DLC. But its microtransactions.)

I would hope the DLC is limited to expansions like Lost of shards of Eternia.. New story, maps, etc.

*Edit* I think I miss-remembered something, so I removed it. */Edit*

I'm kind of thinking what they'll do instead is... "Before you could buy a new character for $4, but we don't do microtransactions anymore... So now you can buy 4 new characters together for $20... See, not microtransaction. Totally different."

This hypothetical, is worse. Because it takes away options to buy what you want.

But if each included a new fleshed out story and maps, then it may be worth it. Can't say.

[R.Gronow]

get a job if you cant afford good games i like and i would even pay 60 dollar for this game and im hapyp to se it its just 40

[(C)FatheredPuma81]

I have to say I 100% agree with you on the graphics part. I personally liked DD1's vibe way more than the bright cartoon aesthetic they went for. Some maps look okay with the graphics cranked like Deeper Well, some that have been borderline ruined like The Summit, and some that just look bad in a hilarious way due to the !EXTREME GREEN! on the plants in the game.

Other than that it feels more like a proper sequel than DD2 did at least but really it's too early to call. Right now it's maybe worth $10-$15 imo but depending on what maps they add and what heroes they add it could very well end up being worth $40.

Originally posted by R.Gronow:

get a job if you cant afford good games i like and i would even pay 60 dollar for this game and im hapyp to se it its just 40

Not quite sure why everyone who doesn't want to waste up to 5 and a half hours of their time on a single game that isn't finished when they can purchased 3+ finished games that are polished AND DD1 need to "get a job."
I guess maybe they should get a better job? Something that pays them $100 an hour or something so they can just not care about wasting $40 here and there?

[Neitry]

Yes, it's overpriced piece of copy, from a copy(DDE - now hidden in Steam) from a DD1, probably from the same developer(which seem to have simply been renamed to get rid of a dirty reputation - DD2 and DDE)

[Maverick]

Originally posted by (C)FatheredPuma81:

I have to say I 100% agree with you on the graphics part. I personally liked DD1's vibe way more than the bright cartoon aesthetic they went for. Some maps look okay with the graphics cranked like Deeper Well, some that have been borderline ruined like The Summit, and some that just look bad in a hilarious way due to the !EXTREME GREEN! on the plants in the game.

Other than that it feels more like a proper sequel than DD2 did at least but really it's too early to call. Right now it's maybe worth $10-$15 imo but depending on what maps they add and what heroes they add it could very well end up being worth $40.

Originally posted by R.Gronow:

get a job if you cant afford good games i like and i would even pay 60 dollar for this game and im hapyp to se it its just 40

Not quite sure why everyone who doesn't want to waste up to 5 and a half hours of their time on a single game that isn't finished when they can purchased 3+ finished games that are polished AND DD1 need to "get a job."
I guess maybe they should get a better job? Something that pays them $100 an hour or something so they can just not care about wasting $40 here and there?

"X-TREEM GREEN" needs to be a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ T-shirt for the game. They should 100% sell that.

Originally posted by R.Gronow:

get a job if you cant afford good games i like and i would even pay 60 dollar for this game and im hapyp to se it its just 40

Ah yes, Ignore that I have already bought the game, dumped damn near a thousand dollars into DD2 and countless hours into DD1 back in the day. I totally -can't afford the game I'm already playing.-

That's TOTALLY what my complaint was. Nice try buddy.

Originally posted by BeerGogglesFTW:

I would love to hear from the studio on this, because I've been uncertain as well. It seems unclear.

I mean, like you said... They said "No microtractions. It will have DLC like Dungeon Defenders"

Which is completely filled with Microtransaction (Labeled as DLC. But its microtransactions.)

I would hope the DLC is limited to expansions like Lost of shards of Eternia.. New story, maps, etc.

*Edit* I think I miss-remembered something, so I removed it. */Edit*

I'm kind of thinking what they'll do instead is... "Before you could buy a new character for $4, but we don't do microtransactions anymore... So now you can buy 4 new characters together for $20... See, not microtransaction. Totally different."

This hypothetical, is worse. Because it takes away options to buy what you want.

But if each included a new fleshed out story and maps, then it may be worth it. Can't say.

See, you get it. It's not a matter of like "WOW ♥♥♥♥ THIS GAME".

It's like "Why? Why do this? Why not just fix what you started the first three times instead of just constantly getting a little bit into a game and then dropping it and restarting AGAIN."

I enjoy the game. Again, I enjoy the GAMEPLAY for what it is. I enjoy the community (The reasonable, decent parts of it anyways.) and there's nothing like finding that real good team where you just flow perfectly between defending lanes and repairs and crossing over lanes to cover each other and all that jazz.

It's just that I keep seeing the pattern of Game > It gets about half it's planned content > it drops off and they start all over with the promise of "GOING BACK TO OUR ROOTS." The argument that it's early access is pretty half-assed when it's not the GAMEPLAY that's an issue. Because here's the thing, couldn't they just release these levels as DLC paid map packs for DD2? Was DD2 so broken that starting over was a better call than restarting FROM SCRATCH and re-using assets?

And yeah, I agree on the microtransaction thing. DLC's ARE Microtransactions. People can lie to themselves and say it's not, but in this day and age, DLC isn't like it used to be back in the days of expansion packs. I know we wish it was, but it's not. I mean, look at something like the original DD1. That didn't have "DLC". That had microtransactions that they just called DLC. 3 maps and 2 weapons for $5 isn't an "expansion pack". That's a microtransaction.

But like the person above brought up, the fact that they can just lump a bunch of crap you don't care about into packs doesn't inspire confidence. Also, that roadmap was depressing to look at.

They're literally adding a boss a month for 2 months, a stage a month for 2 months and some pets.

No new towers, no new weapons, no new classes, no real CONTENT. People keep preaching at me that "We have a roadmap of CONTENT" but I'm looking at the roadmap and instead of seeing "Content" i see "UH, BULLET POINTS. PEOPLE ♥♥♥♥♥♥ LOVE BULLET POINTS! TELL THEM ABOUT THE FACT WE'RE ADDING PETS **THREE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ TIMES**"

It looks like they're lost and don't know what "going back to their roots" means. Especially when their roots had more maps on launch and a better art style. They had THREE GAMES of content to draw from and they stepped down a peg with no real content planned.

I know people want to defend this game and more power to them. I'm already in too deep to refund and that's fine. I didn't plan to refund anyways. It's not so bad that I'm apalled. I just want people to question the developers on WHY they're trying to sell us less for more. If their company is in a bad spot and they need the help? Sure. Cool. I'm FINE with that. I can understand that.

I just want them to be upfront and honest about it. "Hey guys, we're making a new project cause we're broke and starving." sounds a lot better than "We have SO much content planned" when it's a year of 2 maps, 3 bosses and some pets.