Hidden
Shion Aug 8, 2019 @ 11:09am
Lots of nasty bugs in the game
Haven't bought the game yet, so here's some kind of review/report. Got bored and annoyed by bugs at the laser puzzles, so it doesn't cover anything past that.

[Major bugs]

- When you get on the stool, it is possible to get stuck. Have to use sister to push the stool away.
- You can also stuck when pushing mirrors around. For that you have to hold left mouse button while closing in to the pushable side. Have to reset the game and start from last checkpoint again. Just think about pushing stuff around for 20 minutes just to get stuck at some point.
- At one point, where you have to get the stool out to get into ventilation, it is possible to have the stool stuck by another movable table. When you push some stuff around, it can move to the sides, depending on collisions of player and other objects.

[Annoying]

Camera sux.
Hard to explore stuff with this camera flying around everywhere in tight places. Maybe toggle for first person mode is in order? Counting those book slots positions was an unpleasant chore.
When you position camera inside ceiling lamps you can see objects disappearing.
When you press F to hold hands with sister, you have to do it while getting very close. You should increase the radius for that action. Camera also turns rapidly to direction the sister is having at the time.
You can't get back to other floors if you missed a collectible. Elon Busk, huh?
When you push stuff, you can do it with W and S keys with no regards to camera position.
Some tables look like you can get under it, yet game sends you around, pushing stools.
Office chairs have wheels. Yet they behave like unmovable crates, while wheelless stools are pushable in the game.

[Good stuff]

Basically it seems to be another "escape the place while searching for notes" horror-like game, with only notable horror, or should I say horrible, elements being the notes. BUT! It has two cuties in it, and the mechanics of doing stuff with two characters are AWESOME. Liked the "PC password" part a lot once I got it figured.
Game atmosphere is nice. Simple gray tones and background music are a great fit.

As idea or concept, this game is great. But right now that's all - the concept. There's a giant room to grow, like:
- better animations
- proper level design, that actually fits the setting and gives room for the camera, instead of being some tightly packed areas filled with random stuff to connect progression points
- diverse atmosphere, like different floor having different themes for colors and background music
- better camera
- actual visual story-telling instead of dumb notes
- co-op mode
- voices for characters
- multiple endings (both escape, only one escape, no one escapes, everybody dies, etc.)

Given the price, I'm ready to buy the game once you fix the major bugs. But what I really hope is for you to get a proper team and one day release a great, bugless game based on this idea of yours.
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Andrew R Aug 8, 2019 @ 5:24pm 
hard pass
Kawa69  [developer] Aug 9, 2019 @ 3:09am 
Hi Shion, I'm sorry for your poor experience in the game.

First of all, you might think that these are excuses, but still, please let me clarify certain things, think of it as an explanation to the quality of game.

We are a five-man team. This game is the product of our 6 month internship in startup mode. Everything is created by just 5 of us, from scratch, starting from zero (skills and all). We also know that some of the parts are not good. We did rushed the production, after all. Everything you said is on point, and we are still looking into it. However, in about 1 month time, we will continue on with our studies, so I'm afraid that there will be not much we can do about it.

By the way, regarding the bugs you mentioned:
1. When you get stuck on chair, just switching character and you can move again.
2. To avoid getting stuck while pushing mirrors, do not push while at the corner of the terminal.
3. To hold hand with Luna, Yuna have to be facing her.

We're sorry for the inconveniences caused. For now, we'll try to see what we can do with the bugs in this 1month time limit. Thanks for your honest critiques and opinions, as I'm sure this will help us improve in the future.
Shion Aug 9, 2019 @ 8:26am 
Now that's a surprise - an honest developer on steam. Wish my 1$ actually mattered, but there you go anyway.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1829745170
Did I get it right: you literally can only do something about this game for just one month and then no one ever going to touch it again? If so, could you focus on the mirror-stucking bug then?

And also interested if you guys would make some stuff in the future. Are you still gonna be called "Soaring Games"? Where do I look to see if you've released something? There really isn't enough atmospheric 3D games with interesting core mechanics about cute girls getting through. Still hoping to see 3D remakes of [Mad Father] and [The Witch's House] in my lifetime. And a proper release of [Hidden] too now.
Last edited by Shion; Aug 9, 2019 @ 10:31am
Xrayman Aug 9, 2019 @ 11:23am 
Hello I'm totally stuck on Pc password with brains...
Do you have the soluce or some tips ?

Even with some trouble, it's a good game BTW
Shion Aug 9, 2019 @ 1:02pm 
It's actually more fun to figure those out on your own. Just have to believe it's not a broken game, but an actually solvable puzzle.

Best tip to give without any spoilers would be to "do stuff together", like have one girl look at the [Brains] logo, while other girl checks out the brains room. That mechanic is used few times later in the game.

But if you really want spoilers: turn the Brains logo by 180 degrees and you'll see 4 block with bottom being coordinates of a brain, and top - the passwords codes. Numbers aren't hard to figure out, just look closer. V and I are the roman numbers: IV - 4, V - 5, VI - 6. And there is a [-] character on the keypad.
Last edited by Shion; Aug 9, 2019 @ 1:05pm
Xrayman Aug 9, 2019 @ 1:45pm 
@Shion tkx bro ! I have already done everything in your tip and I have rotated the image in all orders, seen the numbers, but didn't understand how to input them on which brain

I'll try...
Xrayman Aug 9, 2019 @ 3:00pm 
done ! now I'm stuck at 19ae8h3sx7... I suck at this game lol
Shion Aug 9, 2019 @ 3:07pm 
At that point I thought the game was broken. Got it solved by accident, but the idea is damn clever.
You'll have to find two PCs for that code. And there are two girls under your control.
Last edited by Shion; Aug 9, 2019 @ 3:07pm
Kawa69  [developer] Aug 10, 2019 @ 12:39am 
Hey, Shion. Thanks for your kind understanding.

Originally posted by Shion:
Did I get it right: you literally can only do something about this game for just one month and then no one ever going to touch it again?
Yes, you got it right for the "one month" part. As for whether or not we will be touching this game afterward, we can't make any promise to it. For me personally, I'll be happy if I can resume this game project, whether a remake or season 2, but that's not for me to make to decision.

Originally posted by Shion:
If so, could you focus on the mirror-stucking bug then?
Right now we're trying our best to look into this and see if we can fix this. Sorry for our inexperience and the inconveniences caused. m(_ _)m

Originally posted by Shion:
And also interested if you guys would make some stuff in the future. ... ... And a proper release of [Hidden] too now.
About this, the answer is most probably no. We really can't make any promise about this. No one knows what the future holds. After all, we're not time travelers who came from the future. However, if we are ever going to make any games in the future, whether as an individual or a team, you can leave us a contact method by emailing to our contact email: hidden.indiegame@gmail.com, and we will contact you when the time comes. If you are still interested by the time, that is.

Thanks.
Xrayman Aug 10, 2019 @ 4:15am 
Originally posted by Shion:
At that point I thought the game was broken. Got it solved by accident, but the idea is damn clever.
You'll have to find two PCs for that code. And there are two girls under your control.
2 pc ? I only have a note in inventory, a note on a table and a PC where I can enter the passcode...
Shion Aug 10, 2019 @ 5:31am 
Originally posted by Xrayman:
2 pc ? I only have a note in inventory, a note on a table and a PC where I can enter the passcode...
Exactly 2 PCs: one in surveillance room and another across the power room in the same area (have to unlock it first). They require 10 characters input.
Last edited by Shion; Aug 10, 2019 @ 5:31am
Xrayman Aug 10, 2019 @ 5:40am 
ok i'll try to figure how to unlock the power room
Thank you for your help !
Shion Aug 12, 2019 @ 11:02am 
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1832816247
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1832866991
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1832878164
If you're looking for more stuff to fix, here's some suggestions:
- pause menu should probably be bound do [ESC] key, instead of / with

key
- [F5] for quick save and [F6] for quick load
- currently the button for next dialogue is bound to [Space]. Would be nice for it to trigger with [LeftMouseButton], [E] and [Enter] too
- can you make Inventory screen also appear with button "B" and disappear with [ESC]?
- interaction prompts appear based on character position, but work only when character is facing the object. It would be better for either character turning to the object on [E] press or for prompt not to appear until character is facing the object. Otherwise there are moments where prompt is there, but [E] does nothing
- camera collisions for world objects (mirrors, lamps, etc.)

Last edited by Shion; Aug 12, 2019 @ 11:20am
Shion Aug 18, 2019 @ 5:08pm 
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1839084636
Transparent-from-the-inside-skirt cuts the sister' head for some reason there.
Same stuff with backsides of the hairs.
Last edited by Shion; Aug 18, 2019 @ 5:14pm
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