Lol censorship

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I hope censoring this game to oblivion to accommodate the millennial's was worth it, because no real fan of commandos will play this bootleg version lmao it's just ridiculous. You can say "it doesn't affect gameplay" as much as you want but everyone knows that's not true, it does affect very much the gameplay, this game is a timeless classic that just got completely butchered, it's not only the symbols and flags, even the setting someone on fire animations were removed lmao what a joke congratulations for destroying this gem

[domy2087]

Автор сообщения: Twitch/GrampyGamerTV

How pathetic! Uninstalled! Such a shame you jumped on the band wagon with this historic title. I suppose using the word 'History' might offend someone.... ooops

It's that guilt tripping that is the primary thing of German upbringing after post Nazi Germany. They're taught to be ashamed of it before they can even comprehend what it's all about...and Calypso Media being German....you can figure out the rest, they kinda stepped on their own land mine with this, Nazis burned books, and they tried to "water-down" this by removing symbols, ergo ipso facto doing the exact opposite of what they tried to achieve...XD

But yeah, people shouldn't make games whose history they're not willing to follow through.

[ammianus]

so, is there a mod that bring back the insignia?

[Vinz Clortho]

I personally don't agree with this decision as I think it sets a dangerous precedent for misrepresentation of history. The Nazis used that symbol. It's a fact and deleting it from your game won't change it. Your game is based on controlling a team of people who are killing Nazis and sabotaging their plans so I don't see how playing the game could encourage racism??
Where does it end? I mean why not remove the Nazis themselves from the game? If you are going by the principle that seeing racist symbols is not acceptable in your game then what bigger symbol of racism is there than a Nazi soldier? Is that any less offensive or dangerous than seeing a swastika?
Once the idea of changing history or deliberately omitting things that people think are "bad" becomes established, it makes it easier for everyone to justify it for their own ends.
If you were worried about receiving complaints, who would be stupid enough to complain about seeing a swastika in a world war 2 game? And even if they did then who would take them seriously?
If on the other hand you made a personal choice to remove the symbol, then why did you not give players the choice to include it or not instead of forcing it upon us? That is my biggest issue with the new woke age - nobody is being given a choice. It seems to be very much you are with us or against us and we all know that only a Sith deals in absolutes.
The gameplay is not affected by your change but I would contend that the 'experience' of the game is definitely adversely affected.
Finally I would say thank you for the remaster of this great game and I will enjoy playing through it. But since you are inviting discussion I am exercising my right to disagree and explain why.

[casxeneize]

Автор сообщения: ammianus

so, is there a mod that bring back the insignia?

+1

[robaczek]

Автор сообщения: casxeneize

Автор сообщения: ammianus

so, is there a mod that bring back the insignia?

+1

No. Buy second-hand original.

[Dr. Enemy]

I don't see how including these symbols would "encourage racism, discrimination or exclusion with our games.". Your fighting nazis in this game and are cutting out realism with this pointless censoring. If anything your attempting to erase history and encouraging people to forget who nazis were.

[Engioc]

Dumb move. If you don't like Nazi symbols don't play a game about WW2.

"We really do not believe that avoiding extreme political symbols diminishes the fun or authenticity of our games"

But it does diminish the authenticity of the game. If I was to walk in to a Nazi base I'd expect to see Swastika's around it. Stop trying to pretend the past didn't happen, it did. I don't like Nazi's either, I don't like racism or any other form of discrimination, but if you are going to create a game about WW2 and be authentic it needs to contain the symbols of the time, regardless of how offensive it is.

Don't like it, don't play it. This isn't an authentic game, its a game trying to pretend Nazi's and Swastika's don't exist.

I agree with many of the above comments. I don't think covering over the truth helps. People need to be made to remember how bad the Nazi's were so we can all avoid that kind of thing happening again. In fact I would say the more accurate and brutal you make it the better, it shows people just how terrible this point in history was.

I'm glad I didn't buy this rubbish, I'll stick to the GOG version of the original.

[CarnageInc.]

Автор сообщения: Dr. Enemy

I don't see how including these symbols would "encourage racism, discrimination or exclusion with our games.". Your fighting nazis in this game and are cutting out realism with this pointless censoring. If anything your attempting to erase history and encouraging people to forget who nazis were.

I don't either. Especially since the originals weren't censored. I highly doubt anyone playing those old games decided to start hating Jews or wanting to kill certain people. It wasn't a problem 10-20 years ago, but somehow it is now?

The sad thing is that a lot of WWII themed games these days are censored (CoD,CoH,BF,Sudden Strike 4).

[Carajote]

Автор сообщения: DerKnusprige

Hey everyone,

we've decided to merge the topics here discussing the absence of political symbols in Commandos 2 HD Remaster.

If you'd like to contribute something, please post in this thread. Thank you!

Our statement:

We have consciously decided to release only one global version of Commandos 2 HD Remaster, one which as far as possible avoids the use of political symbols such as Swastika or SS-runes. We do not want to encourage racism, discrimination or exclusion with our games. As a cosmopolitan but German company, we see it as our duty to refrain from any kind of radical symbolism.

We really do not believe that avoiding extreme political symbols diminishes the fun or authenticity of our games and we feel that this attitude is supported by a large part of our community.

We know that this decision won’t be shared and agreed upon by everyone and we appreciate your own opinions, but hope that you can accept our standpoint.

hello mister derknusprige. i just have 1 question and i want an answer

why "praetorians" didnt have censored symbology?
why "imperial glory" didnt have censored symbology?

hypocrite

[sp3lfanaaT]

Автор сообщения: Carajote

Автор сообщения: DerKnusprige

Hey everyone,

we've decided to merge the topics here discussing the absence of political symbols in Commandos 2 HD Remaster.

If you'd like to contribute something, please post in this thread. Thank you!

Our statement:

We have consciously decided to release only one global version of Commandos 2 HD Remaster, one which as far as possible avoids the use of political symbols such as Swastika or SS-runes. We do not want to encourage racism, discrimination or exclusion with our games. As a cosmopolitan but German company, we see it as our duty to refrain from any kind of radical symbolism.

We really do not believe that avoiding extreme political symbols diminishes the fun or authenticity of our games and we feel that this attitude is supported by a large part of our community.

We know that this decision won’t be shared and agreed upon by everyone and we appreciate your own opinions, but hope that you can accept our standpoint.

hello mister derknusprige. i just have 1 question and i want an answer

why "praetorians" didnt have censored symbology?
why "imperial glory" didnt have censored symbology?

hypocrite

WW Documentaries are still showed on TV ... , online. and youtube

[amakiker]

The whole self-censorship is horrible. It is obviously that the team is just ban the symbols to fulfill their hypocritical moral values which means nothing to the players who pursue the truth of history. The remake team should realize that they are selling a game not an agenda.

[J4MESOX4D]

Автор сообщения: amakiker

The whole self-censorship is horrible. It is obviously that the team is just ban the symbols to fulfill their hypocritical moral values which means nothing to the players who pursue the truth of history. The remake team should realize that they are selling a game not an agenda.

Sadly developers like this would rather sell 1000 copies of a game and keep it censored/clean to satisfy themselves rather than flog 10,000 copies and keep it authentic. It's not like they are going to be ridiculed or branded racist for remaking such a product and if they can't cope with the topic involved then they should not be involved in the first place.

[Perkins]

something that may not have been brought up yet... i used to think censoring these symbols was an injustice to art and history, but the more i loiter around the various corners of the internet; especially in recent years, i find that edge-lord neo-nazis are a serious problem. they're like ants and flies, if you leave out any crumbs for them (swastikas, playable nazi characters, etc) they rally around them and cause an infestation.
i still don't know if this justifies censorship, but i think it's worth adding to the discussion table.

[Overmann]

Oh no bad people exist!
Hurry lets rewrite history!

[CarnageInc.]

Автор сообщения: Perkins

something that may not have been brought up yet... i used to think censoring these symbols was an injustice to art and history, but the more i loiter around the various corners of the internet; especially in recent years, i find that edge-lord neo-nazis are a serious problem. they're like ants and flies, if you leave out any crumbs for them (swastikas, playable nazi characters, etc) they rally around them and cause an infestation.
i still don't know if this justifies censorship, but i think it's worth adding to the discussion table.

So, because you ran into neo nazis in other forums or websites, that means any historical games should be censored,because you don't want them playing the game, since they might "infest" them..?
Have they infested the original commandos,wolfenstein and CoD games, or is it safe to play them still?