Why is Memnon African black????

[Eudaemon]

In the Iliad Memnon Son of Tithonus a prince of Troy brother to King Priam King of Troy and Eos a Titaness in the Hellenic Pantheon. He was a Hero of Troy King of Aethiopia not Ethiopian himself. Troy wa just another Hellenic City State.

[Rubino303]

The myths classical era Greeks came up with surrounding Memnon's heritage are just that, myths.
There is far more evidence that Memnon was actually the 8th Pharaoh of the 18th dynasty Amenophis, and ruled both Egypt and Ethiopia, than there is that he's the son of Eos the Titaness.

Its a growing consensus among archaeologists that the Trojan War did occur. This representation of Memnon is historically accurate considering the region he came from. And yes he is depicted as "black" on classical era pottery and his skin described as "bronze" colored by the classical era Greek poets.

Also, this idea of Troy being a "Hellenic" city state is absurd. Do you know what the word Hellenic means? Its origins??
The Trojans were Pelasgians, that is pre-Achaean(Danaan) inhabitants of Anatolia. Most likely an ally or vassal of the Hittite Empire. The Mycenaean Greeks (Achaeans/Danaans) would only settle in western Anatolia after Troy had been destroyed/conquered, coming to dominate the area in the form of the powerful Greek Kingdom of Lydia.

[Amigo]

When you don't have any real arguments you can troll or invent them. That's what you do here and that's what CA did.

Well if course it is a myth. So what? It is the only source we have and it clearly indicates Memnon was not black. You can fantasize all you want and make him green, blue or purple because 'we don't really know' but that won't change the fact that Greeks saw him as white.

Every culture has its own myths with its own heroes. Greeks have Greek heroes, Africans have african heroes, etc.

[Lotor13]

It was said enough here, but I guess, that more people will question this soon or later, so it is good "to discuss" further here

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Amigo:

Every culture has its own myths with its own heroes. Greeks have Greek heroes, Africans have african heroes, etc.

This is good point actually

The Trojan War is part of Greek (and Roman) mythology , but it does not mean, that all characters or heroes are Greeks;
Trojans, Amazons, Thracians, Lycians and Ethiopians are not Greeks and are enemies of Greeks in Trojan War

Rhesus is non-Greek hero, he is Thracian king from Thrace, but he is part of Greek myths, and not part of Thracian myths, and it is same with Memnon

Memnon is warrior king from distant land who broght army from distand lands to help Troy and opponent for Achileus, the greatest Greek hero.
This is Memnon's role in the story of Trojan War, Penthesilea has same role.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Amigo:

Well if course it is a myth. So what?

The Argument with "white parents" would be valid if we would speak about real people and the Memnon's mythic mother in legend - Eos is not human, but a Titaness and the goddess of the dawn

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Amigo:

You can fantasize all you want and make him green, blue or purple because 'we don't really know'

Here is not any "we don't really know"

This is about, how to reasonably and senseful portray "the warior king of Ethiopia"

[lx]

i think memnon was not black, he just had a tan.
btw, this game is made in bulgaria. what a shame, we dont know our history.

[TheOrangeBox]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย lx:

i think memnon was not black, he just had a tan.
btw, this game is made in bulgaria. what a shame, we dont know our history.

Considering the lack of participation from the OP - we can deduct this is another one of these trolling threads

[menandros100576]

At Iliad "Ιλιάδα" cirlcle of poems the people of Troy have names of Greek origin as Andromahi "Ανδρός μάχη", Astyanax " Άστυ άναξ" Elenos "Έλενος" etc... The Troyans
believe at the same gods that believe the Achaeans, fighting with the same ways and have common habbits like warping of dead at battle "σκύλεμα νεκρού στην μάχη. So Ector when go to final battle although had insult Patroclos at battle when he take from his corpse his armory, beg Ahilleus to respect eachother the dead body of the loser. Priamos when he go at Ahilleas camp beg him to think the pain of his father and give him his body. So who thinks that we talk for different nationalities? Sorry if my english aren' t so fluently...

[Amigo]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย menandros100576:

At Iliad "Ιλιάδα" cirlcle of poems the people of Troy have names of Greek origin as Andromahi "Ανδρός μάχη", Astyanax " Άστυ άναξ" Elenos "Έλενος" etc... The Troyans
believe at the same gods that believe the Achaeans, fighting with the same ways and have common habbits like warping of dead at battle "σκύλεμα νεκρού στην μάχη. So Ector when go to final battle although had insult Patroclos at battle when he take from his corpse his armory, beg Ahilleus to respect eachother the dead body of the loser. Priamos when he go at Ahilleas camp beg him to think the pain of his father and give him his body. So who thinks that we talk for different nationalities? Sorry if my english aren' t so fluently...

That's the thing. You know the great pyramid is called The pyramid of Kheops. But Kheops is a greek variant for egyptian Khufu.

Americans tend to do the same nowadays. They call stuff they cant't pronounce the way they want to call it.

Greeks saw the world through their greek eyes. There were no black people there. And definately no black mythical demigod heroes.

[menandros100576]

Archaeological evidence suggests that the history of the ancient Greeks in Egypt dates back at least to Mycenaean times (1600–1100 BC) and more likely even further back into the proto-Greek Minoan age. Near ancient Naukrati archaeologists excavate a Minoan colony. The only nation that Aigyptians called with name was the Minoans that was labelled with an Egyptian term "kftjw" or Keftiou. We now that Cretans had also colonies to all east mediterranean even at Sicily "Heraclea Minoa"par example. At Minoan era there wasn' t nations at east mediterranean that had war fleets because Minoans didn' t allowed them. The same think exists with their successors Mycenaeans... At iliad we have situations warlords from both sides stop fighting eachother cause they found they had common ancestors.

[Lotor13]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย menandros100576:

At Iliad "Ιλιάδα" cirlcle of poems the people of Troy have names of Greek origin as Andromahi "Ανδρός μάχη", Astyanax " Άστυ άναξ" Elenos "Έλενος" etc... The Troyans
believe at the same gods that believe the Achaeans, fighting with the same ways...

...So who thinks that we talk for different nationalities? Sorry if my english aren' t so fluently...

The Greeks of this period had a very different understanding of ethnicity, culture, and locality than we do in present, and have not easy access to informations than we have.

In the case of Trojan War, the Greeks (the Achaeans or the Dananns) are direcly distincted from "the others", but everybody speaks same language and praise same gods.

The "historical" Trojans probably spoke the Luwian or some Anatolian language,
but In Ancient Greek literature, Trojan characters are portrayed as having a common language with the Achaeans (Greeks). However, historicians do not consider this as as evidence that the Trojans were Greek speakers, but interpret this as a poetic style,

Similarly, in Spanish epic poem "El Cid", the Arab characters speak Spanish and the "Song of Roland" portrays Arabs as speaking French too.
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It is good to look at the Rhesos - the mythic Thracian King, who fought on the side of Trojans in Trojan War.
I think we can claim as fact, that Thracians and Greeks are 2 different ethnic groups.
But the Rhesos has Greek name, speaks same language as Greeks and his ancestors are mythological characters from Greek mythology - his mother is one of the Muses and his father is the river god Strymon.
...But this does not make him Greek, he is still Thracian.
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It is important to notice, that this game is concepted as a hybrid of mythology and historical fiction, so they put some sense in to mythological enviroment - Amazons have a "proto-scythian" look, and Thracians are proto-thracian, Anatolians - Trojans, Dardanians (Aeaneas), Lycians (Sarpedon) have a proper Anatolian look and Memnon is vassal of Egyptian Pharaoh, as Aethiopia (Nubia) was during the Egyptian "New Kingdom" period,

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Amigo:

Greeks saw the world through their greek eyes. There were no black people there. And definately no black mythical demigod heroes.

There is "King of Aethiopia", who led an army that fought on the side of the Trojans in the story of Trojan War,

In this case, Aethiopia is land south of Egypt, also called as Nubia or Kush, and we have knowledge, that black people live there.

[Rampage]

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[lx]

myth and history is the same thing. history is the redacted version of the same event. myths dont have an agenda. they just tell the stories. the history, though... is written by the victor, and serves his agenda.

[Rampage]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย lx:

myth and history is the same thing. history is the redacted version of the same event. myths dont have an agenda. they just tell the stories. the history, though... is written by the victor, and serves his agenda.

uhm no lol that has nothing to do with it. What makes things a myth is it being supernatural and people of today claiming it are just metaphors.

[lx]

there will always be a flip side in this world. you can choose the right, or the wrong. its ok.
learning is done, by making mistakes.

[Rampage]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย lx:

there will always be a flip side in this world. you can choose the right, or the wrong. its ok.
learning is done, by making mistakes.

Im guessing English isnt your first language?

[lx]

english is not the first language.
and memnon has nothing to do with it.