Crazy diplomacy?

[Hotspur]

I'm Sparta, I have the two bottom provinces and crete, 2 full armies...nothing crazy, and I'm at war with just about everyone not Achilles or Salamis (who made a huge confederation). I'm use to like Shogun/Rome 2 where it wasn't until late game everyone would hate you no matter what but even the Greeks, Amazonians and of course the Trojans are declaring against me and I'm not even near them or interacting with them. Is there a reason for the avalanche? I'm turn 75ish and feel like I'm just getting stable and now its World War type chaos.

If I try to go for peace it only lasts a turn or 2 and costs tons of resources so is this game just default war no matter what?

[Señor Pillullis]

CA games are focused mostly in war (hence the name), that and obviously the QA team that tested diplomacy didn't do a good job.
Seriously, that garbage is ridiculous, I'm getting dogpiled by half of the map for no reason whatsoever.

[Bibibobaba]

Are you playing at normal difficulty. That may be the problem. Im on turn 55 with Sparta on normal and Im allied with almost all my race group. It a big war between our two race. Troyan are almost all allied too. Knosos are alone. Thracian are divided. Athenean have two regions left.
I dont know what you may do wrong. Try to get military access soon so you dont get penalty when crossing enemy borders. Maybe it the campaign type. Im on my 1st try on normal in historical. Maybe it will be different in mythology Idk.

[2GenL]

Troy TW is greece vs trojan. Aim to fight the Trojans and unite greece instead of fighting your own.
If you attack a greek faction, the rest will hate you for betraying the greek cause. Same when playing a trajan faction.
Once you've beaten troy, then start to work against other greeks to take objective settlements

[Señor Pillullis]

Originally posted by 2GenL:

Troy TW is greece vs trojan. Aim to fight the Trojans and unite greece instead of fighting your own.
If you attack a greek faction, the rest will hate you for betraying the greek cause. Same when playing a trajan faction.
Once you've beaten troy, then start to work against other greeks to take objective settlements

I absolutely agree with you in essence as it is indeed a conflict between the Greeks versus the Trojans.
However, I expected the Greeks to declare war on ALL the Trojan factions and viceversa, not just mindlessly declaring war on the player, which is the case in nearly every game.

[Central]

Originally posted by Senor Pillullis:

CA games are focused mostly in war (hence the name), that and obviously the QA team that tested diplomacy didn't do a good job.
Seriously, that garbage is ridiculous, I'm getting dogpiled by half of the map for no reason whatsoever.

have you ever played total war games before? the diplomacy is notoriously bad in pretty pretty much all of them (on or 2 exceptions).

Anyway it is quite possible to have a some diplomacy in this game, but you do need to work at it. Make trade deals early on to boost your relationship with those factions.
you can make a deal where you give 100 food and get something back, than make a deal with a second partner that is the exact opposite, you dont loose resources but you do get a relationship boost.

Remember this game is about war, once blood has been spilled it demands more blood be spilled, once wars have been started it is not always easy to stop them. By making trade deals you can prevent wars from starting in the first place as it boosts your relationship with those factions.

If you attack the friends of your friends they will like you less, so it is quite possible that you attacked a popular faction and managed to get your allies turned against you.

So to sum it up, trade deals to increase your relation, dont attack people your friends like to much, keep an army in reserve for when total wars reminds you how bad at diplomacy it can get

[dulany67]

Your early job is to build a coalition while also securing a base for your kingdom. Do not attack other greeks indiscriminately. You will need those allies when it's time to head to Troy.

[Pumis]

If you are looking for TW game with working diplomacy then 3K is only option you have. Unfortunately they didn't put diplomacy fixes to Troy. Probably something to do with having separate teams working on them?

[Rampage]

You must have betrayed a danaan faction making all the pillars come after you.
Diplomacy has never worked better than in this game...

[Hotspur]

The only Greek faction I attacked without being attacked first was Knossos which was a objective for my Hero so I figured it was something I was supposed to do. No one is even remotely close to a confederation with me, Achilles, Salamis and Mycaena were allied then Salamis and Mycae confederated and Achilles joined with Argos in another, everyone else pretty much is at war with me on the Greek side. Trojans I expected but to be dog piled on is kinda ridiculous. I'm playing on Easy and not historical/mythos but the blend of the 2 (forget the name).

I get diplomacy is usually trash in these games, I've played every total war since the original shogun except warhammer 2 cause I'm not a fantasy fan. But usually the diplomacy breaks down a bit later in the game not when I'm still building up my home territory. I guess I should reroll and maybe have another go with a different faction because right now it seems like there is no point or direction as its just anarchy without rhyme or reason.

[Rampage]

My experience is the exact opposite lol, I never felt the diplomacy was this robust.
But then again Im playing the mythic campaign so perhaps there is a difference.

[Central]

Originally posted by Hotspur:

The only Greek faction I attacked without being attacked first was Knossos which was a objective for my Hero so I figured it was something I was supposed to do. No one is even remotely close to a confederation with me, Achilles, Salamis and Mycaena were allied then Salamis and Mycae confederated and Achilles joined with Argos in another, everyone else pretty much is at war with me on the Greek side. Trojans I expected but to be dog piled on is kinda ridiculous. I'm playing on Easy and not historical/mythos but the blend of the 2 (forget the name).

I get diplomacy is usually trash in these games, I've played every total war since the original shogun except warhammer 2 cause I'm not a fantasy fan. But usually the diplomacy breaks down a bit later in the game not when I'm still building up my home territory. I guess I should reroll and maybe have another go with a different faction because right now it seems like there is no point or direction as its just anarchy without rhyme or reason.

you could reroll with another faction, or you could try the same faction but try to do some more active diplomacy.
Good luck, and hopefully the next game will be a bit more enjoyable for you :)

[Laigon ♥]

I just started my first game and within 10 turns I was at war with 13 factions. Not even left my starting province yet because there's like 15 armies taking turns to attack me, It definitely feels like the A.I's a little trigger happy on the old war declaration. It's fun though, but there's a lot of fighting going on, hard to get the ball rolling.

[Pumis]

Originally posted by Laigon ♥:

I just started my first game and within 10 turns I was at war with 13 factions. Not even left my starting province yet because there's like 15 armies taking turns to attack me, It definitely feels like the A.I's a little trigger happy on the old war declaration. It's fun though, but there's a lot of fighting going on, hard to get the ball rolling.

You really need to create alliences, though at end game you end up having only one ally since everyone keeps making war on them. But all you need is someone with reliable personalities that don't cause war for "♥♥♥♥ and giggles".

[Laigon ♥]

Originally posted by Pumis:

Originally posted by Laigon ♥:

I just started my first game and within 10 turns I was at war with 13 factions. Not even left my starting province yet because there's like 15 armies taking turns to attack me, It definitely feels like the A.I's a little trigger happy on the old war declaration. It's fun though, but there's a lot of fighting going on, hard to get the ball rolling.

You really need to create alliences, though at end game you end up having only one ally since everyone keeps making war on them. But all you need is someone with reliable personalities that don't cause war for "♥♥♥♥ and giggles".

I've managed to get 5 military alliances now, better late than never. I think I took a buff thingy as Achilles early on that dropped trade deals by 40 points so that didn't help, I'll have to watch out for stuff like that.

[Pumis]

Originally posted by Laigon ♥:

Originally posted by Pumis:

You really need to create alliences, though at end game you end up having only one ally since everyone keeps making war on them. But all you need is someone with reliable personalities that don't cause war for "♥♥♥♥ and giggles".

I've managed to get 5 military alliances now, better late than never. I think I took a buff thingy as Achilles early on that dropped trade deals by 40 points so that didn't help, I'll have to watch out for stuff like that.

Yeah he should just stop reading youtube comments or playing league of legends ;).
Though as Achiless I found out that most reliable ally is Sparta. It keeps confederating with lot of people and other factions seem to hate him, but he haven't ever betrayed me. Reminder... You can always pursue for peace and gain benefits after you destroy 1-2 stacks enemy sends or just wait until someone else kills them. Also Zeus is the king in diplomacy.