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Nial Aug 21, 2021 @ 12:24pm
Any other way to knock the cop out without drugging the wife?
If the wife is cuffed and conscious and tips the cop about you, then the cop never checks the bedroom door and goes straight for the closet if you're in it, but does check the bedroom if you're in it and insta-spots you even if you hide by sitting on the chair. So much for consistency.
What is happening here I think is writing/programming around both being conscious and able to react to each other would've been too much work so this consistency breaking limitation was imposed. Still sucks, though, I wanted to have them both interact with each other while I have the situation under control.
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Psyringe Aug 21, 2021 @ 12:37pm 
I don't think there's a way to do that. Which is disappointing, because to me, it seems like a logical course of action that the game just doesn't let you do.

I mean, after you've proven to your wife that you're in a time-loop and told her about the cop, she is absolutely willing to cooperate. And you already know that you can knock out the cop if you're giving him a reason to switch on the light in the bedroom. So the most logical next step is to tell the wife: "Lay on the bed, fake sleeping. The cop will come in, flick the light switch, get electrocuted, and I will handcuff him. I know that this will work because I've done it before, and this way we can interrogate him together while he can't attack us."

But no, the game seems to insist that we drug the wife each time we want to talk to the cop while having control of the situation. It's one of those moments where immersion breaks down and I felt like the game was trying to apply artificial difficulty to hide a lack of content.

If someone has found a way to do what the OP and I had in mind, I'd be very interested to hear how. I've come to the point where I simply don't believe the option exists, I've tried everything I can think of to make it happen.
Fugmanator Aug 21, 2021 @ 1:27pm 
bro i was thinking the exact same thing, try to free the wife while hes unconscious and when it didnt work i was so salty
Floatious Aug 21, 2021 @ 2:08pm 
Sure! You can stab her to death instead.
DrNewcenstein Aug 21, 2021 @ 4:14pm 
There's also no option to tell her to leave the apartment but avoid the elevator, which is where the "cop" always gets her. Even if she'd just go to the neighbors with the baby.

But then it's not about that, IMO. I think it's all a hypnotic state the Dad has you in. The baby you hear crying in the next room is yours, already born, and the voices are those of the Dad and your sister.
Listen closely to them.

Dad's trying to get you to disappear because "eww" (I mean, it's just too late, really), and at the same time he's working on the daughter in a similar fashion i.e. she's in a hypno loop same as you.

As such, he's suggesting there are only bad outcomes, no matter what you try, because that's how he wants it to play out. Even if you pick the "walk away" option, he decides that you can't. You can't walk out the door, and you can't "end" the game in the solo apartment.
The guy's an evil pr!ck no matter what.

You can leave the watch out for the "not-cop" to walk in, find, then leave, but he won't see it unless he's dragging you out of the closet. You can't get any kind of drop on him, and for some reason he's just totally non-compliant until you stab or shoot him.
The dialogue is also weak "I'mma keel you and yo woman for a watch becuz meh dotter need de munny!" but then give you sh!t about "moral high ground"? Dood needs to eat a bullet.

But no, no way to knock out the not-cop without sedating the wife.
There is no other way he is to strong for you
Psyringe Aug 21, 2021 @ 4:22pm 
Originally posted by DrNewcenstein:
The baby you hear crying in the next room is yours, already born, and the voices are those of the Dad and your sister.
Listen closely to them.
Hey, that's interesting. Can you make out what they are saying? I couldn't. (I'm not good at understanding whispered or muffled speech in a foreign language.)
Originally posted by DrNewcenstein:
There's also no option to tell her to leave the apartment but avoid the elevator, which is where the "cop" always gets her. Even if she'd just go to the neighbors with the baby.

But then it's not about that, IMO. I think it's all a hypnotic state the Dad has you in. The baby you hear crying in the next room is yours, already born, and the voices are those of the Dad and your sister.
Listen closely to them.

Dad's trying to get you to disappear because "eww" (I mean, it's just too late, really), and at the same time he's working on the daughter in a similar fashion i.e. she's in a hypno loop same as you.

As such, he's suggesting there are only bad outcomes, no matter what you try, because that's how he wants it to play out. Even if you pick the "walk away" option, he decides that you can't. You can't walk out the door, and you can't "end" the game in the solo apartment.
The guy's an evil pr!ck no matter what.

You can leave the watch out for the "not-cop" to walk in, find, then leave, but he won't see it unless he's dragging you out of the closet. You can't get any kind of drop on him, and for some reason he's just totally non-compliant until you stab or shoot him.
The dialogue is also weak "I'mma keel you and yo woman for a watch becuz meh dotter need de munny!" but then give you sh!t about "moral high ground"? Dood needs to eat a bullet.

But no, no way to knock out the not-cop without sedating the wife.

Interesting theory i must say but when did you figured out that she is your sister before the hypnosis and when did she find out?You both could be paralyzed and you both could also informed about the truth and he wants you to forget everything so she isn’t prepared for the truth anymore or something.And if it’s the father….You killed him so this would be very unlikely
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Psyringe Aug 21, 2021 @ 4:38pm 
Originally posted by Jt:
And if it’s the father….You killed him so this would be very unlikely
Are you sure about that? Under the "it's all a hypnosis-induced dream" interpretation, all information about the father having been killed is part of the "dream". In the "real world", he's referring to "your sister, my daughter" as the same person. Which would mean that he is the father, and has not been killed.
Originally posted by Psyringe:
Originally posted by Jt:
And if it’s the father….You killed him so this would be very unlikely
Are you sure about that? Under the "it's all a hypnosis-induced dream" interpretation, all information about the father having been killed is part of the "dream". In the "real world", he's referring to "your sister, my daughter" as the same person. Which would mean that he is the father, and has not been killed.

The father has hair and the other one not.I think the bald haired one is a psychologist which replays the phrase the father said originally or replay the scene because you told him what happened.It’s also possible that the room scenes are memories of the past and they just appear because now you remember man we will never find out
Psyringe Aug 21, 2021 @ 4:54pm 
Originally posted by Jt:
The father has hair and the other one not.I think the bald haired one is a psychologist which replays the phrase the father said originally or replay the scene because you told him what happened.
That's an interesting way of explaining why the look of the "man in the office" changes. Thanks for sharing, I'll have to think about this idea a bit more.

Originally posted by Jt:
It’s also possible that the room scenes are memories of the past and they just appear because now you remember
At least the last scene is unlikely to happen in the past since the father refers to your wife's pregnancy.

Originally posted by Jt:
man we will never find out
Possibly, but who knows? :) I see a good chance that the game will get a "developer commentary" update at some point, i.e. a mode where you hear the developers' comments while playing through the game.
Last edited by Psyringe; Aug 21, 2021 @ 4:55pm
Originally posted by Psyringe:
Originally posted by Jt:
The father has hair and the other one not.I think the bald haired one is a psychologist which replays the phrase the father said originally or replay the scene because you told him what happened.
That's an interesting way of explaining why the look of the "man in the office" changes. Thanks for sharing, I'll have to think about this idea a bit more.

Originally posted by Jt:
It’s also possible that the room scenes are memories of the past and they just appear because now you remember
At least the last scene is unlikely to happen in the past since the father refers to your wife's pregnancy.

Originally posted by Jt:
man we will never find out
Possibly, but who knows? :) I see a good chance that the game will get a "developer commentary" update at some point, i.e. a mode where you hear the developers' comments while playing through the game.

They would probably give a hint….but i think it’s designed to make theories about it.Maybe they have more official ways to interprete the game and there isn’t only one way….
Bobywan Aug 21, 2021 @ 6:57pm 
I'm disapointed you cant both hide in the bathroom like in the trailer. We were promised so much more.
citizen6ix Aug 22, 2021 @ 1:08am 
Yes, this is important. So, spoiler alert -------

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You need to create a series of events that leads him to shock himself.

Asap at start, get a mug, take to bathroom, close door, get pills out the cabinet, and put some in a mug, with some water from the sink. Then go offer your wife some water, which she will drink as long as she hasn't already poured herself one, which she does pretty early otherwise.

Your wife will end up passing out in 30 secs or so, in her bed. You can meanwhile go to the bedroom, flick the light on (get a mini shock) and then off again. This means the next flick will cause whoever touches it to get knocked out with a bigger shock.

Pick up the knife, for good measure.

To give yourself as much time as you can, turn the light on in the bathroom with door open, and open the bedroom door if not already, (Dont flick the lights again!!!)..
Then, open the main door to the apartment too - saves the cop from wasting time knocking.

Go in the closet and close the door behind and watch through the blinds.

When cop comes, he should say "what the.." or something, as he sees your wife unconscious in bed. He'll go in the room, try to flick the light on, and you'll hear him hit the deck.

Go in, steal his stuff, handcuff him, and when he comes around you can take it from there.
citizen6ix Aug 22, 2021 @ 1:09am 
Originally posted by Bobywan:
I'm disapointed you cant both hide in the bathroom like in the trailer. We were promised so much more.

haha, you can! you'll just be easily found, cos if a bent cop feels you are probably in the house and finds the bathroom locked from the inside, they'll probably kick the door in. Anything else would be ridiculous.
You have to be more creative, that's all.
Psyringe Aug 22, 2021 @ 2:14am 
Originally posted by citizen6ix:
Yes, this is important.
Erm, sorry, but did you read the thread? The question was, how can you knock out the cop _without_ drugging your wife. Not sure why you say "yes" and then post a long description of how to knock out the cop _after_ drugging your wife, this procedure is well known already.

Originally posted by citizen6ix:
Originally posted by Bobywan:
I'm disapointed you cant both hide in the bathroom like in the trailer. We were promised so much more.

haha, you can! you'll just be easily found

He wanted to _hide in the bathroom together with your wife_, as shown in the trailer. So when you say "Yes you can", could you explain how you get in the bathroom together with your wife?

It doesn't matter if the cop breaks the door to get in. In fact, in the scene in the trailer, the cop does find you in the bathroom. That doesn't change the fact that the trailer shows something that you can't do in the game (to my knowledge).

(In theory, he could go to the bedroom first and knock himself out with the light switch before he even gets to the bathroom. But it's a moot point since you can't even hide there together with your wife in the first place.)
Last edited by Psyringe; Aug 22, 2021 @ 2:38am
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