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False! The series has never been loosely set in the Orkney region, only the 2005 ARPG, which is not part of the series, it's a spinoff.
Skara Brae was a typical high-fantasy city in the series, just as the OP has described. It had absolutely nothing to do with the real Skara Brae, it wasn't even a port town.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1749945899
Have you guys played the original Bard's Tale series?
Yes, there is a link. I already gave it years ago, but you ignored it then as you will ignore it now. I strongly suggest you cease the cherry-picking of "datapoints", because that makes any statistical and analytical conclusion completely worthless, otherwise.
This whole argument is just a rehash we've been over and over and over again. Even perrilin knows it - but acts as if he don't and is confused about what is meant. The whole 'argument' about disclaiming Celtic and Gaelic influences "because that comes from the ARPG so that doesn't count" - apart from the questionable self-indulging&serving claim itself - ignores the inconvenient little detail that the ARPG took these influences from the old BT's themselves. This is a fact, albeit heavily denied by the detractors and "true BT sequel" fanatics, like yourself.
You can see it in the interview of the Bard's Tale 2004 with Brian Fargo (Fearless Bard Leader), Maxx Kaufman (Artsy Bard), and Matt Findley (New Orleans Bard) where they talk about where these influences came from.
I'll quote directly:
"We had to create an original story and world to avoid any blatant copyright infringement with the original trilogy (ed: the rights were at the time held by a different publisher), but the world we created was based on the same mythology that the original game world was based on. We just went back to the deep roots of the Scottish and Celtic Mythology that inspired not only The Bard's Tale, but everything from Tolkien to Dungeons & Dragons."
I've already told you this numerous times. You and perillin ignore this, because it doesn't fit your narrative, but it is what it is.
There's the link to Michael Cranford's talk he gave to the GDC where he discusses how he came up with the Bard's Tale games.
The idea of Skara Brae he mentions came from an EA consultant who had been working with the ultima people and thought that name would be good.
Also, it sounds from that interview that Michael was the creator and Brian was just the director. Michael mentions he was given carte blanche to craft his vision.
I don't recall anyone denying there is celtic and scotish influences in the original BT games. I think the argument is the BT games were just a typical high fantasy setting.
The 2004 spin off is where this whole scotish and celtic themes were dialed up to 11.
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"When I played BTIV I really loved the celtic theme but it just didn't seem in keeping with the feel of the original games. Where did it come from?"
Maybe you should try to read the OP of a thread where you answer in?
Also, you must not even have read the review Noblesse did - it's important to know the others' view, Perillin, even if you disagree with it. Instead of say, acting as if you don't know.
He said, verbatim: "But even this attempts to impose a Gaelic tradition upon a game series that was not rooted in that tradition." and "So, the attempt of Barrows Deep to impose Gaelic music and culture and Gaelic-accented voice acting on the game is ill-informed, neither rooted in history nor the legacy of the series."
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"but the world we created was *based on* the same mythology that the original game world was *based* on"
"We just *went back* to the deep roots of the Scottish and Celtic Mythology that inspired not only The Bard's Tale"
This is the answer. He clearly said it was BASED on it, and that it WENT BACK to the deep roots of Celtic mythology. It directly contradicts what Noblesse claims.
You now try to change the tune (pun intended) as if the influence was only a cursory snippet of minor importance, but he clearly states something else. If anything, it's the OTHER influences that play a side role, and the Celtic and Gaelic was his main influence. It always was, has been and will be. Which is why it was decided to hold onto the name of Skara Brae as name of the most important city - who came up with it is of no importance in this regard. *Someone* will always bring up *something*, at *some point*, so this doesn't form a "datapoint" to claim the reverse. At all. Myriad proposals will have been made; they kept that one, and for a reason. Besides, there are many, many more Celtic and Gaelic references in the game, but we've been - also - over this already.
The point is, the Celtic and Gaelic influences didn't come from out of the blue, and weren't "imposed" on us; they were always there, and thus it WAS rooted in that tradition.
So it's a matter of level of influence. In the earlier BT games, it was a minor role. There was names scattered here and there, but not to the level of the 2004 game or barrows deep.
'Which is why it was decided to hold onto the name of Skara Brae'
Really? I didn't know you were part of the design team.
Well, you may think they just rolled dice to decide, even after they explicitly state their games were rooted in Celtic and Gaelic influences, but I don't. If that's your logical defense and rationale: "they state the importance of Celtic influences, but they just used Skara Brae and many other Celtic references out of random chance"... be my guest. Seems a pretty silly and unlikely conjecture, to say the least. Arguments that use the rationale "it's possible" are worthless: everything is possible. It's what is most likely, that counts. Claiming it wasn't rooted in Celtic influences, while the statement directly contradicts it, is basically saying you know better than the devs themselves, and one should listen to your claim, not the devs. Then again, when it suits you, you *do* bring up what a devs says. Well, you can't have it both ways.
The argument, both of the OP and Noblesse, was not "They've always had Celtic influences, but not as much as now." No. I know you're *trying* to give it that spin, but that isn't truthful, and you know it. It WAS rooted in that Celtic/Gaelic tradition and it WAS rooted in the legacy of the series, dixit the devs - directly contradicting his claim. So he's factually wrong. Period.
The OP did not say the originals were not rooted in celtic themes, only they didn't appear to be.
Get your facts straight.
The spin off game and BT4 dialed up the celtic influences to 11. The earlier games were more generic in feel. The "roots" were much more apparent in the 2004 game and BT 4.