Which is sadder valiant hero or revenged

[M.C]

let me know

[alexander the terrible]

betrayed

[JuicyFrootSnacks]

I think revenged and VH bc in revenged henry dies and in VH charles dies sooo

[Zerox Warington the 1st]

Arguably Revenged is way worse. Now i understand why people pick Valiant Hero (even though most are Charles simps). However if you think about it Revenged really presents a far more grim and depressing picture. Yes, Charles dying is sad and all but in this ending Henry is still accepted or in some cases even liked by the army. Although sad the whole scene is a brave act of self sacrifice and Henry proudly salutes Charles's tombstone with life and opportunity still ahead for him.

In Revenged all of that is out of the window. Henry gets betrayed by the only people he thought respected him. He suffers an insane amount of trauma and pain at the start and is forced into being a freak in order to stay alive. With consuming hatred he literally wipes off the entire clan but is being dragged down with them by Reginald in a final act of spite. Furthermore in this timeline he literally has nobody. The government hates him, he never met Ellie and be gets casually tossed out by the only people that could ever understand and accept his criminal nature. As he succumbs to his wounds in the jungle there is nobody to comfort him or to even ease his suffering. He doesn't die in peace and literally no one will give a crap about him.

[rad_knight]

Messaggio originale di Zerox The Bulgarian Fascist!:

Arguably Revenged is way worse. Now i understand why people pick Valiant Hero (even though most are Charles simps). However if you think about it Revenged really presents a far more grim and depressing picture. Yes, Charles dying is sad and all but in this ending Henry is still accepted or in some cases even liked by the army. Although sad the whole scene is a brave act of self sacrifice and Henry proudly salutes Charles's tombstone with life and opportunity still ahead for him.

In Revenged all of that is out of the window. Henry gets betrayed by the only people he thought respected him. He suffers an insane amount of trauma and pain at the start and is forced into being a freak in order to stay alive. With consuming hatred he literally wipes off the entire clan but is being dragged down with them by Reginald in a final act of spite. Furthermore in this timeline he literally has nobody. The government hates him, he never met Ellie and be gets casually tossed out by the only people that could ever understand and accept his criminal nature. As he succumbs to his wounds in the jungle there is nobody to comfort him or to even ease his suffering. He doesn't die in peace and literally no one will give a crap about him.

2 things)
1: charles is one of 2 people in any timeline that could be considered to be henry's friend, and he's the only unquestionably good person that henry knows (no disrespect to ellie, but she was in the wall for a reason. i assume). so in this timeline, henry goes from a common crook trying to make a quick buck on a bank heist, to escaping from prison, to a big name criminal stealing a priceless gem, to a government agent, and then after he does something heroic for (presumably) the first time in his life he's hauled off to another prison and in an effort to try and re-gain his freedom needs to fake his own death. charles, currently on a mission trying to stop the toppats happens into henry who he thought was dead and with his help is able to defeat the toppats (presumably for good, since most of them went down with the ship) but to do that charle's has to die. henry's right hand man, the man who helped him every step of the way during the airship raid, the alfred to his batman, and now he's gone. in this ending, henry ends up as a hero, but looses his closes friend (who he never would've been anything but a criminal without) and has to go on without him.
and 2: in revenged, henry was never good. sure we all love the guy as outside observers who have the whole picture, but look at it from the perspective of just this one timeline. henry is basically a batman villain with everything he does, and throughout the series of events he's nothing but a criminal and a thief who yes gets betrayed and ultimately dies, but would it really be that sad of a story to have the joker die? no, because he's pure evil. and in this timeline that's what henry is. evil,

[Zerox Warington the 1st]

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2 things)
1: charles is one of 2 people in any timeline that could be considered to be henry's friend, and he's the only unquestionably good person that henry knows (no disrespect to ellie, but she was in the wall for a reason. i assume). so in this timeline, henry goes from a common crook trying to make a quick buck on a bank heist, to escaping from prison, to a big name criminal stealing a priceless gem, to a government agent, and then after he does something heroic for (presumably) the first time in his life he's hauled off to another prison and in an effort to try and re-gain his freedom needs to fake his own death. charles, currently on a mission trying to stop the toppats happens into henry who he thought was dead and with his help is able to defeat the toppats (presumably for good, since most of them went down with the ship) but to do that charle's has to die. henry's right hand man, the man who helped him every step of the way during the airship raid, the alfred to his batman, and now he's gone. in this ending, henry ends up as a hero, but looses his closes friend (who he never would've been anything but a criminal without) and has to go on without him.
and 2: in revenged, henry was never good. sure we all love the guy as outside observers who have the whole picture, but look at it from the perspective of just this one timeline. henry is basically a batman villain with everything he does, and throughout the series of events he's nothing but a criminal and a thief who yes gets betrayed and ultimately dies, but would it really be that sad of a story to have the joker die? no, because he's pure evil. and in this timeline that's what henry is. evil, [/quote]

I think you might be exxagaratimg Charles's role with Henry a bit here. Sure Henry liked and did probably consider him a true friend but it's not like he and Charles where "Alfred and Batman." They worked together and they respected and possibly even liked each other but not to that big extend. That can be really noticed right at the start, when Charles learns that Henry is alive his reaction is mainly confused rather than shocked or overjoyed. Hell they probably didn't even interract after the whole Airship thing. That is not to say that they don't bond a little more on the way and i'm not denying the heaviness of the ending but like i said all things considered it's a sad but also peaceful ending honoring a pilot's sacrifice and looking at the new tommorow.

As for your second point i don't think Henry is "pure evil". Sure he remains a thief but instead of going all about himself and bail with Toppat treasure decides to side with the clan and if his and some of his loyalist's bios are anything to go by he was a pretty decent and liked leader. I mean you cant really fault him for going against the government in ITA. They basically kidnap him, tell him to do the dirty work for them and promise a pardon that he might not even want. The Toppat Clan is the closest thing Henry had to a home in this timeline. Just that he is not 100% lawful good doesn't mean that he's a psycho or a cold machine. Hell he even phoned them in first chance he got for help in the Wall instead of trying to sneak out on his own. We might consider the guy evil but it's clear that he was deeply hurt from Reginald's betrayal (in both ways).

If anything that "Henry is evil" point makes the ending even sadder. He never gets to make a real friend that sees him as more than a thief. He always gets used and tossed around. Goes from a petty heister to a crime boss and then gets backstabbed by the last people whom he thought at least respected him. Besides unlike VH Revenged offers no closure or comfort for him. Reginald himself asks if it was worth it while dying and Henry instead of being gleeful or happy (like a true Joker would) just signs and limps away.

All things considered i think Revenged is by far the more tragic ending. It's the ending with most deaths and it really brings Henry's story to a non climatic and abrupt end. There is no heroism or sacrifice there. Just hatred, hurt, regret and death.

[jaydciv]

Even some Vtubers like those from Hololive react how sad was the death of Charles, like Gawr Gura or Pikame and other youtubers like Markiplier reacted sadly.

[trysomethingnew83]

Okay. It's time for me to tell you what's sadder. Valiant Hero. Charles dies a hero's death in that ending, while Revenged is just, karma.

[ص ♥]

VH >;(