Was IGP Right?

[RebelCobra]

I saw the video IGP made a few months back and decided I'd wait and see what happened. I avoided going to the discord because of how the developers treated anyone who had even a slight concern and the lack of information on the lead guy. However, I still kept my eye on the game from time to time.

Is the game really as bad as the reviews are leading on? Or is this another No Man's Sky? Terrible on launch, but was able to redeem itself in time.

[Delhyp]

The difference between No Man's Sky and Day of Dragons is that No Man's Sky asked you to pay the full price, for the full game, while the game itself had it's quirks, which were fixable. You did not have to actually expect new content at launch, it was all there, just badly performed. Day of Dragons, on the other hand, currently asks you for a full price, for a game that in my opinion is not even worth 5$.

Allow me to paint you the picture of how the EA launch went: You spawn in as an egg. Great. You hatch, also great. Now comes the part where, if you were not among the first people to log into the server, and was able to survive and essiently 'claim' the spawn area as the strongest (biggest) dragon, you would die, constantly. You can't escape, because you can't fly, and you'd die in the desert. You can't fight, because each time you do, you'll lose or become the meal for the biggest dragon around. It would not be so bad if the area was big, but with the ability to highlight other dragons in such a small area, you're doomed to die within 30 minutes from hatching.

The game is not fun to play, and I say that as the person who was on the other end; The biggest dragon in the server for the time I played in it. Save your money until the game proves itself is my suggestion. The game could, Hypothetically, redeem itself, but with DoD teaming stirring drama among other dev teams, and a constant refusal to hire more coders and proffesionals- I can't say it's been a promising sight. This is just my opinion.

[Sefiroso]

first 20 dollars is the full price of a new game? look on steam and what game have you seen (nesides maybe a visual novel) thats full price? I mean thats a third the price of most brand new games and half the price of most non AAA games. Secondly if they delayed releasing it you are telling me that all of you would not have whined and complained? doubtful but ok.

[Furyion]

todays market and games launch .cmon , aaa studios {and all of them} games produced are far worse and a rip off of each other than a open alpha release, to drum up more money for a better future of a great idea that seems to be original.

[Lazy Dog Daddy]

Damn , people easely forget this was kickstarted and amassed $533,938 , which is one of the huge reason people are upset about this , other games get there budget out of a company or something , this already sold "copies" of the games with perks for half a million before EA and yet this is what we get ?

[Late Game Wonder]

IGP made a video to capitalize on the buzz game was garnering from Anthomia videos.
Other than that what he says is only that, what he says.
No one knows what the future of this game is, but I know for a fact that games with far worse EA were given a pass or still are excused from criticism.
One of the The Isle, one of them Ark, Dayz took 5 years for people to finally get against it.
So the idea that this "game" should be treated differently is just hypocritical imo.
Also to address No Man's Sky...BS!
I preordered that game, played it from day one.
No Man's Sky of day one was NOT a full game, it clearly was lacking advertised content and it was half baked hence the updates that finally finished the game.

[beebee73]

Copy/pasted from steam patch notes:


VERSION 0.7.2.1 is now LIVE on Steam
Requires a Server Update

NEW STUFF
--Added Hatch Key Prompt after 10 seconds

CHANGED STUFF
--Added static corpses throughout the world players can eat, players will have to explore to find them (thermal vision)
--Changed chat name colors (work in progress)
--Lowered time needed to hold E to eat/drink to 2 seconds
--Increased food/water detection range so its easier to eat/drink
--Extended thermal vision range to 100m

FIXED STUFF
--Fixed a thermal vision bug
--Fixed an eating/drinking bug

BROKEN STUFF
--Server persistence does not work currently
--Hatching sometimes doesn't work
--Chat box sometimes prevents tab switching or scrolling

[Olruna]

Was IGP right? I think it still may go both ways, and it depends on what you think about EA games. I personaly don't feel cheated at all. For me, as it is, the game is what devs promissed it'll be at this point of time. Bare bones, glichy, early idea I can watch grow better. All I require from devs is that they have to be active. Till now they seemed to be ok. But they still have time to run with our money (and then I would have to repent for all the slurs I threw at IGP - don't ask).

Some people read EA and think "minor optimalisation to go, at half price" or even just "cheep game". If this is closer to your idea of EA then of course this would be just one big scam.

To disagree with the person few comms up, personally I think what No man's sky devs did was soo much worse than this. Early acces has it's own rules, but when you sell FULL game it better be two-gliches-to-perfect, or else. Sadly, not many developers these days really manage that.

I spend nearly 4 hours playing Day of Dragons as of yet. It's not much, but I managed to get killed few times, kill somone else, see all of the oasis, fall down some glichy rocks, roar back and forth with some other wyvern, have some silly conversation, and fly quite a bit, because inspite of what people're saying it's not just kill and be killed. A lot of it but not only that. I saw some people willing to protect any baby, and if you ask, you can get grown to adult by admin. It's certainly not the most poisonous community I've evers seen. Especialy since it's pvp multipayer. And it's out 2 days.

To sum it up: Yes, I think Day of dragons will redeem itself when given a chance. No, it's not much of a game right now, but enough for early EA. No, I don't think it's a scam and money grab, but time will tell. And finally, no, I don't think everyone and their grandma should try playing it now. If you generally don't like EA games - meaning finding silly and frustrating gliches, watching players react to, figure out and try to break new content, etc. then, please, don't buy it now. Reserve your judgement for when it's full out and don't sink it now with a negative.

[Callak Skytower]

Keep working Devs. I bought my copy already. Prove to me that you can make a good game. $20 is not a horrible price to pay to encourage you to make something real out of this. Right now, it's not real. But that is not the point. I've already been through this phase. Proove to me I'm not wrong. Cash grab? No, I don't believe it.

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Originally posted by Callak Skytower:

Keep working Devs. I bought my copy already. Prove to me that you can make a good game. $20 is not a horrible price to pay to encourage you to make something real out of this. Right now, it's not real. But that is not the point. I've already been through this phase. Proove to me I'm not wrong. Cash grab? No, I don't believe it.

The 20$ is redundant and inconsequential when remembering the amount of money that was accumulated during the kickstarter. You're paying for something that should be free considering how bad it is.

[Bassilth]

Well, I would say IGP wasnt right.
We already got some things extra in the game compared to the sneakpeeks we got during the campaign. We got models purchased, custom sounds, soundtrack. Lots of plans and clearly an enthusiasm from the dev you can see in how fast they are getting the patches out.
I say as long as you see people hired to work on the game, you see the dev working on it... it is not a scam.
This doesnt mean it cannot be later but it is up to Jao to prove IGP wrong. And I think IGP's vid is just another motivation for the dev to keep going. We shall see what the future brings. I just hope Jao wont be stumped and give up at first first major hurdle that is bound to come his way.

[beebee73]

^ THIS exactly! The models are still placeholders as their animator is not in board yet & won't be until their contract is up.

I knew the models were placeholders from the time of the KS cause it was SAID they were. That was the whole initial POINT of the KS to get funds to REPLACE those store bought assets with custom models.

Is it a scam? I hardly think so as scammers in my experience 'take the money & run.' Jao has VERY much made enough money from the KS to run but HAS he? NO, They've hired theirs animator (work n actual models to start when animator comes on board at end if their current contract) But even so Jao has NOT disappeared...updates are posted in discord & steam patch thread.

Have they made mistakes? YES they're only human...& new at this but are working hard d to get this going. Where's my proof of that? DAY 1 of EA people had a hard time/got spawn killed repeatedly & NEXT DAY we had a patch putting in randomly spawned corpses. SAME evening as EA it was announced thus would happen at next patch of which I figured ok a week or so, especially as no ETA could be given but as already said patch came out the following evening along with other fixes.

In summary that is NOT the attitude of someone just out to scam you for a quick buck.

[Lazy Dog Daddy]

Originally posted by beebee73:

Is it a scam? I hardly think so as scammers in my experience 'take the money & run.' Jao has VERY much made enough money from the KS to run but HAS he? NO, They've hired theirs animator (work n actual models to start when animator comes on board at end if their current contract) But even so Jao has NOT disappeared...updates are posted in discord & steam patch thread.

They made half a million in 6 weeks , do you really think a good scammer would stop there and not try to get more ? I dont agree that this is a scam , but im not convinced it isnt either and wont be until 6 months in after the release .

[Rexedous]

TLDR; IGP was not right.

His concerns were fair, but he was not correct.

[Bad_Conduct]

Originally posted by Lazy Dog Daddy:

Originally posted by beebee73:

Is it a scam? I hardly think so as scammers in my experience 'take the money & run.' Jao has VERY much made enough money from the KS to run but HAS he? NO, They've hired theirs animator (work n actual models to start when animator comes on board at end if their current contract) But even so Jao has NOT disappeared...updates are posted in discord & steam patch thread.

They made half a million in 6 weeks , do you really think a good scammer would stop there and not try to get more ? I dont agree that this is a scam , but im not convinced it isnt either and wont be until 6 months in after the release .

No, hence why they put it on Steam EA. Sounds like a scam, or biting off a lot more than they can chew.

[Rexedous]

Originally posted by archonseachmall:

To be fair IGP didn't say that this IS a scam.
He claimed there are issues, he pointed them out and he was hopeful that this is not a scam.

And thousands of people raided the server and everything came grinding to a halt. I'm not saying it was intentional, I'm not saying IGP was wrong to state his opinions. I thought many of his points were fairly valid. Jao addressed those points in an interview with Anth. All I'm saying is this is their first game. They didn't ask for a ton of money. They got more emoney than they know what to do with, so they're going to try and put it to good use. Jao is not perfect. He has made mistakes. Everyone does. It's not even a week out, and the hatred is unreal. People need to calm themselves, and wait and see what happens. Personally, launch went exactly how I thought it would. A bit rough, but it's done. Now all they gotta do push onward. This game isn't gonna be complicated. It's just Dragon survival. It won't be easy, but if they persevere, then it will be worth it.