Proficiency weapon vs Stats

[CrazyOdd]

Custom Cleric starts with a mace, which scale with his +8 strength while his dex is +16. The mace does 0-5 damage while the first Finesse weapon you find, the Scimitar, shows 3-7 damage.
So how much would the Proficiency be worth, in that situation vs just the raw numbers?

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by CrazyOdd:

Proficiency weapon vs Stats
Custom Cleric starts with a mace, which scale with his +8 strength while his dex is +16. The mace does 0-5 damage while the first Finesse weapon you find, the Scimitar, shows 3-7 damage.
So how much would the Proficiency be worth, in that situation vs just the raw numbers?

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It is always weapon dice plus modifier

with STR being 8, it is a -1 modifier, while DEX 16 means a +3 modifier

The mace does 1d6 damage, so with the modifier it becomes 0-5 instead of 1-6

Same with the scimitar 1d6, so you are missing something here which would give it a -1 on top of the +3

[CrazyOdd]

Originally posted by アンジェル:

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It is always weapon dice plus modifier

with STR being 8, it is a -1 modifier, while DEX 16 means a +3 modifier

The mace does 1d6 damage, so with the modifier it becomes 0-5 instead of 1-6

Same with the scimitar 1d6, so you are missing something here which would give it a -1 on top of the -3

Was getting my numbers mixed up between saves (too many restarts).
Its 4-9 for the Scimitar, with those stats.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by CrazyOdd:

Originally posted by アンジェル:

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It is always weapon dice plus modifier

with STR being 8, it is a -1 modifier, while DEX 16 means a +3 modifier

The mace does 1d6 damage, so with the modifier it becomes 0-5 instead of 1-6

Same with the scimitar 1d6, so you are missing something here which would give it a -1 on top of the -3

Was getting my numbers mixed up between saves (too many restarts).
Its 4-9 for the Scimitar, with those stats.

That makes more sense.

That is 1d6 +3 from the profiency.

a six sided dice can roll 1,2,3,4,5,6

So the minimum damage is 1, the maximum is 6

With a proficiency of +3, the minimum becomes 4 and the maximum becomes 9

That is how it is calculated and then summed up

The proficiency you can get from ability is always +1 for every 2

ability = 10 => +0
12 = +1
14 = +2
16 = +3

and so on

[CrazyOdd]

The main point is still: "Cleric is not proficient with Scimitar", but the numbers are higher on a none proficient weapon. So is it worth using a weapon your character is not "trained" in, if I understand proficient weapon classes correct.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by CrazyOdd:

The main point is still: "Cleric is not proficient with Scimitar", but the numbers are higher on a none proficient weapon. So is it worth using a weapon your character is not "trained" in, if I understand proficient weapon classes correct.

Has proficiency = add proficiency bonus

Has no proficiency = no adding bonus

[CrazyOdd]

Originally posted by アンジェル:

Originally posted by CrazyOdd:

The main point is still: "Cleric is not proficient with Scimitar", but the numbers are higher on a none proficient weapon. So is it worth using a weapon your character is not "trained" in, if I understand proficient weapon classes correct.

Has proficiency = add proficiency bonus

Has no proficiency = no adding bonus

So basically go with whatever gives the highest number. Got it.

[Kas]

proficiency affects your chance to hit not the damage.

[CrazyOdd]

Originally posted by Kas:

proficiency affects your chance to hit not the damage.

"When a creature is proficient in a wielded weapon, they add their Proficiency Bonus to Attack Rolls with that weapon."
So I assume Attack in this case is hit chance?

Its still the same question, is Proficiency worth using a worse stat weapon? A Finesse weapon is effectively +4 stat higher, in this case.

[Kas]

In your particular case probably not, but for instance you could use a dagger which is 1d4 which with dex bonus would be 4-7 damage but would have +5 to ‘attack roll’ instead of +3 you get using the scimitar

[CrazyOdd]

Originally posted by Kas:

In your particular case probably not, but for instance you could use a dagger which is 1d4 which with dex bonus would be 4-7 damage but would have +5 to ‘attack roll’ instead of +3 you get using the scimitar

Dont think there is a dagger floating around on the ship, which was the fastest area to test, as there is quite a few different weapons on the imps.

[Kas]

Also don’t forget your + from proficiency goes up at higher levels so at level 5 your proficiency bonus is +3

[CrazyOdd]

Originally posted by Kas:

Also don’t forget your + from proficiency goes up at higher levels so at level 5 your proficiency bonus is +3

At that point, I have more weapon choices. Scimitar vs Mace, was more to get the basic understanding.

[Kas]

Understood it’s pretty rare people ‘dump’ Str on a cleric to 8 and go with such a high dex as they can wear at least medium armor and even heavy armor depending on sub choice, which at least negates the bonus of having high dex to boost AC

[CrazyOdd]

Originally posted by Kas:

Understood it’s pretty rare people ‘dump’ Str on a cleric to 8 and go with such a high dex as they can wear at least medium armor and even heavy armor depending on sub choice, which at least negates the bonus of having high dex to boost AC

Tempest Domain Cleric, "needs" to get attacked to get reactions, to trigger the bonus damage. Hence why more Dex and Con. Plus high Wis, for the spells.

[jonnin]

Originally posted by Kas:

Understood it’s pretty rare people ‘dump’ Str on a cleric to 8 and go with such a high dex as they can wear at least medium armor and even heavy armor depending on sub choice, which at least negates the bonus of having high dex to boost AC

unless you take a feat, you only need 14 dex in medium armor, not that high. The big thing is that str weapons beg for 2h, and 2h costs you a shield. The difference in damage for str weapons and dex weapons for 1h is much less interesting but there are no 2h hard hitting dex choices. Dex generally wins out over str in this game, and that is from a mix of reasons including the lack of racial stats and the 20 stat cap. Old school NWN etc you could have a 30 str half orc, +10 to hit and damage, with a 2h 2d6 damage weapon going nuts on things and dex didn't add to damage without a feat. They overcompensated dex builds and when you throw in the AC armor effect and dual wielding dex weapons, its hard to find a reason for a str char other than as pack mule.