OMG Accidentally Oath Breaking the Paladin is solved!!

[Fawlcon]

I wish I knew this months ago so I am passing this on because I follow this forum, yet never saw this before (maybe I missed it). HOWEVER... You have the ability to do non leathel attacks that will not break your Paladins Oath. ""Passive" Submenu on the hotbar. You'll find all toggles gathered there. ""Non lethal"", Attacks of Opportunity, etc, etc.

[Popsicles]

That's not a fix. That's a lame workaround. They really need to work on losing your oath. I keep losing it for killing a goblin. Makes zero sense...

[Fawlcon]

Originally posted by Balltin:

That's not a fix. That's a lame workaround. They really need to work on losing your oath. I keep losing it for killing a goblin. Makes zero sense...

Hyperbolic much? As it is a setting in the game, how is it a work around? Actual role playing a Paladin, especially old school Lawful Good, is a bltch. It is the only class that was balanced by a role playing factor for it being the hands down best fighter. So how would you suggest Lairen do it better? Just let a good paladin murder ♥♥♥♥? Be an Oath breaker and embrace it.

[Popsicles]

Originally posted by Fawlcon:

Originally posted by Balltin:

That's not a fix. That's a lame workaround. They really need to work on losing your oath. I keep losing it for killing a goblin. Makes zero sense...

Hyperbolic much? As it is a setting in the game, how is it a work around? Actual role playing a Paladin, especially old school Lawful Good, is a bltch. It is the only class that was balanced by a role playing factor for it being the hands down best fighter. So how would you suggest Lairen do it better? Just let a good paladin murder ♥♥♥♥? Be an Oath breaker and embrace it.

Oathbreaking is bugged right now in BG3. If you think you should go around using non- lethal attacks so be it. I would like to play a Pally as written. You shouldn't lose an oath for killing a Gobbo that attacks you.

It's only 'a ♥♥♥♥♥' to play a 'lawful good' pally because it's bugged.

[Moe]

Originally posted by Balltin:

Originally posted by Fawlcon:

Hyperbolic much? As it is a setting in the game, how is it a work around? Actual role playing a Paladin, especially old school Lawful Good, is a bltch. It is the only class that was balanced by a role playing factor for it being the hands down best fighter. So how would you suggest Lairen do it better? Just let a good paladin murder ♥♥♥♥? Be an Oath breaker and embrace it.

Oathbreaking is bugged right now in BG3. If you think you should go around using non- lethal attacks so be it. I would like to play a Pally as written. You shouldn't lose an oath for killing a Gobbo that attacks you.

It's only 'a ♥♥♥♥♥' to play a 'lawful good' pally because it's bugged.

When did you lose your oath for killing a hostile goblin? As far as I understand you lose your oath if you kill a non-hostile NPC regardless of their race. So if you choose the non-combat option then backstab the goblins afterwards then you'll lose your Oath and I think that's pretty reasonable. The only real complaint I have about the Oath-Breaking is that it's not really made clear to the player what actions will break their Oath, maybe an in game guide/book listing the tenets of your Oath would be a good change.

[Aldain]

The thing is that no Paladin has "No killing ever" as a restriction.

I didn't run into it often, but a few times when I did play I broke my Oath for odd reasons, like just strolling up to the goblin village and having the goblins attack first.

However the odd part of it was I switched and let another character engage that same conversation and line selection and it didn't break.

Any potential breaks I had from actions that weren't obviously against the Oath stemmed from that one encounter at the burned out village, which I just shrugged and had another character interact with to get around it.

[Popsicles]

Originally posted by Moe:

Originally posted by Balltin:

Oathbreaking is bugged right now in BG3. If you think you should go around using non- lethal attacks so be it. I would like to play a Pally as written. You shouldn't lose an oath for killing a Gobbo that attacks you.

It's only 'a ♥♥♥♥♥' to play a 'lawful good' pally because it's bugged.

When did you lose your oath for killing a hostile goblin? As far as I understand you lose your oath if you kill a non-hostile NPC regardless of their race. So if you choose the non-combat option then backstab the goblins afterwards then you'll lose your Oath and I think that's pretty reasonable. The only real complaint I have about the Oath-Breaking is that it's not really made clear to the player what actions will break their Oath, maybe an in game guide/book listing the tenets of your Oath would be a good change.

THere is a a well known bug at this time where a Pally can lose their oath for no good reason.

In my latest run - when I enter the Goblin lair, at the entrance where the ogre is, it goes to an animation when I enter and says something like 'you've angered the goblins and a fight is unavoidable.' They attack me on sight.

If my Pally kills any of these Gobbos - then she loses her oath.

I found a workaround by entering through a secret entrance. I was able to walk around without anyone attacking.

When we fought Priestess Gut - My Pally struck the killing blow and didn't lose her oath. Later in the fight - when she killed a gobbo that attack us during the Gut fight - She lost her oath again!

I re-loaded and was able to complete the fight without losing her oath. Since then, I've gone through the rest of the Goblin lair and have not had any more problems with losing my oath.

Bottom line, you shouldn't lose your sacred oath for killing an enemy that attacked you first!

[ThisIsJesse]

I used a non lethal attack to knockout two npcs that had trapped and were planning on executing Lae'Zel and became an oathbreaker! I don't mind because it's what I play in my regular dnd campaign.

[zeeb]

Originally posted by Balltin:

That's not a fix. That's a lame workaround. They really need to work on losing your oath. I keep losing it for killing a goblin. Makes zero sense...

Not all goblins are evil, most of them are just very easy to manipulate due to lower intelligence (I'd say they're mostly chaotic neutral usually under the leadership of someone with an evil alignment which makes them evil) and they're still humanoids.
Any being that is sentient and semi-intelligent could be swayed to change their alignment.

If for example you slay a goblin that has surrendered then you definitely should be an oathbreaker as a paladin. Paladins are champions of justice and good, they absolutely refrain from killing anything regarded as a non-threat. Otherwise it's just another lawful stupid murderhobo.

[Popsicles]

Originally posted by zeeb:

Originally posted by Balltin:

That's not a fix. That's a lame workaround. They really need to work on losing your oath. I keep losing it for killing a goblin. Makes zero sense...

Not all goblins are evil, most of them are just very easy to manipulate due to lower intelligence (I'd say they're mostly chaotic neutral usually under the leadership of someone with an evil alignment which makes them evil) and they're still humanoids.
Any being that is sentient and semi-intelligent could be swayed to change their alignment.

If for example you slay a goblin that has surrendered then you definitely should be an oathbreaker as a paladin. Paladins are champions of justice and good, they absolutely refrain from killing anything regarded as a non-threat. Otherwise it's just another lawful stupid murderhobo.

How am I a 'murder hobo' if the goblins attacked my Paladin first?

[Monocaine]

Originally posted by Moe:

Originally posted by Balltin:

Oathbreaking is bugged right now in BG3. If you think you should go around using non- lethal attacks so be it. I would like to play a Pally as written. You shouldn't lose an oath for killing a Gobbo that attacks you.

It's only 'a ♥♥♥♥♥' to play a 'lawful good' pally because it's bugged.

When did you lose your oath for killing a hostile goblin? As far as I understand you lose your oath if you kill a non-hostile NPC regardless of their race. So if you choose the non-combat option then backstab the goblins afterwards then you'll lose your Oath and I think that's pretty reasonable. The only real complaint I have about the Oath-Breaking is that it's not really made clear to the player what actions will break their Oath, maybe an in game guide/book listing the tenets of your Oath would be a good change.

The closest we got is when you hover your mouse over your paladin armor and it displays the oaths you swore.

[dolby]

better yet just don't last hit with paladin and you can ignore the Oaths altogether... Or if you want really weird solution, just pickpocket steal the money when you break the Oath and pay with stealing and loot from innocent npcs to get off for murder! lol Talk about keeping your Oath as a good and honorable character lol.

Like whatever dev at larians made up this feature system has some wicked morality.

[seandeven]

It's medieval catholic morality.
Glad we've moved on................ lol

[dolby]

Originally posted by seandeven:

It's medieval catholic morality.
Glad we've moved on................ lol

yeah was thinking the same thing when i was playing... I guess you go to Mass service, pay and all is forgiven lol

But don't forget,
Thou Shalt Not murder poor goblins ! but if you do... you can allways pay us and it's all super cool!

[Edstyles]

simple solution :) Dont play paladin :D

[dolby]

Originally posted by Edstyles:

simple solution :) Dont play paladin :D

Finding solution is beyond easy and the whole system can be ignore by smart player, if you really want to. But in my opinion that defeats the whole point of it... Most players will just exploit the system and do just that cos the system makes little sense when roleplaying, at least if you are not roleplaying a stupid, clueless paladin. I guess some players like to play dense paladins.

Anyway, easly fixed if they listened to the community... i guess we gonna see what they did... IF they didn't do anything, we will just fix it with a mod.