Deep Gnome same-sex relationships (incl. spoilers)

[brendan_in_china]

I don't know man, but there's something weird about _all_ the deep gnome relationships in BG3 being same sex. Here they are:

- Philomeen with the rune powder has a disliked ex at the cave in.
- Gnome leader 2 has a husband digging him out.
- Barcus Wroot obsesses over a friend who doesn't care for him (echoing Philomeen).
- And Yrre the gnome lightning magic-item creator is the gnome lover of Lenore (underdark mansion). This name isn't gendered, but going by trend and context, they're likely same sex.

I know we're talking a small sample here, but come-on writers, don't make gnome relationships cliche. Surprise me, make some friendships friendships. Thank you.

[Skadi]

Gnomes are small and like tight caves...

...I'm sorry, I will see myself out.

[brendan_in_china]

Ha ha, nah that's just what the doctor ordered. Mustn't get too serious about these things.

[Brother Atheos]

They have literal quotas to fill on that sort of stuff. It's all politics and agenda. Gotta keep that special score high.

[Quillithe]

Pretty sure Lenore is a female name, never seen it in another context.

[Deus Vult]

Originally posted by brendan_in_china:

Ha ha, nah that's just what the doctor ordered. Mustn't get too serious about these things.

Well, if they won't fill the game with it, that's fine.
And I agree with the OP, doesn't have to be about sexual all the time.

Blizzard did this with WoW (I know that's an MMO, but still RPG) in the recent expac.
Like literally same sex married couple in every zone, like what the hell man. Why is this necessary, and who cares about this stuff anyways?

[Kryldost]

Originally posted by Loyalist ✠:

Originally posted by brendan_in_china:

Ha ha, nah that's just what the doctor ordered. Mustn't get too serious about these things.

Well, if they won't fill the game with it, that's fine.
And I agree with the OP, doesn't have to be about sexual all the time.

Blizzard did this with WoW (I know that's an MMO, but still RPG) in the recent expac.
Like literally same sex married couple in every zone, like what the hell man. Why is this necessary, and who cares about this stuff anyways?

You're right, nobody should care if same sex people are in love its totally normal :P

[Membi]

Originally posted by Loyalist ✠:

Originally posted by brendan_in_china:

Ha ha, nah that's just what the doctor ordered. Mustn't get too serious about these things.

Well, if they won't fill the game with it, that's fine.
And I agree with the OP, doesn't have to be about sexual all the time.

Blizzard did this with WoW (I know that's an MMO, but still RPG) in the recent expac.
Like literally same sex married couple in every zone, like what the hell man. Why is this necessary, and who cares about this stuff anyways?

While Blizzard overdid it and therefor turned inclusive representation into a joke, which is worse than not having it at all, I can tell you that for atleast me (I doubt I'm alone but can't speak for others), inclusiveness in mass media meant a lot.

I'm gay. Live in Sweden and was born 1985. The culture in our country is relatively progressive and open minded.

I started to suspect my sexuality when I was 10 but didn't come out until I was 18.

During my teens I played video/pc games and watched TV just as any other and besides the occasional celebrity coming out, homosexuality wasn't really something you talked open about, so rarely in tv-shows and movies, and certainly not in video games, did I ever see a gay character. Until one day, our public service channel started showing "Queer as Folk". I was ecstatic. A FULL SHOW! About gays! Like me! And they didn't hide who they where, they had fun, went to bars and made out and got lucky.

It was so refreshing. Seeing a world on TV where someone like me could be themselves and still live a nice life. A world of hope. A future.

Today, seeing gays or lesbians on TV hardly makes anyone bat an eye, but the game industry still has bit longer to go :)

[Deus Vult]

Originally posted by Kryldost:

Originally posted by Loyalist ✠:

Well, if they won't fill the game with it, that's fine.
And I agree with the OP, doesn't have to be about sexual all the time.

Blizzard did this with WoW (I know that's an MMO, but still RPG) in the recent expac.
Like literally same sex married couple in every zone, like what the hell man. Why is this necessary, and who cares about this stuff anyways?

You're right, nobody should care if same sex people are in love its totally normal :P

Y, in World of WARcraft. Makes sense, especially when there are zero straight couples throughout the rest of the storyline. Not cringe at all.

Originally posted by Membi:

Originally posted by Loyalist ✠:

Well, if they won't fill the game with it, that's fine.
And I agree with the OP, doesn't have to be about sexual all the time.

Blizzard did this with WoW (I know that's an MMO, but still RPG) in the recent expac.
Like literally same sex married couple in every zone, like what the hell man. Why is this necessary, and who cares about this stuff anyways?

While Blizzard overdid it and therefor turned inclusive representation into a joke, which is worse than not having it at all, I can tell you that for atleast me (I doubt I'm alone but can't speak for others), inclusiveness in mass media meant a lot.

I'm gay. Live in Sweden and was born 1985. The culture in our country is relatively progressive and open minded.

I started to suspect my sexuality when I was 10 but didn't come out until I was 18.

During my teens I played video/pc games and watched TV just as any other and besides the occasional celebrity coming out, homosexuality wasn't really something you talked open about, so rarely in tv-shows and movies, and certainly not in video games, did I ever see a gay character. Until one day, our public service channel started showing "Queer as Folk". I was ecstatic. A FULL SHOW! About gays! Like me! And they didn't hide who they where, they had fun, went to bars and made out and got lucky.

It was so refreshing. Seeing a world on TV where someone like me could be themselves and still live a nice life. A world of hope. A future.

Today, seeing gays or lesbians on TV hardly makes anyone bat an eye, but the game industry still has bit longer to go :)

I have a cousin who is 10 years younger than me, therefore I've followed most of his childhood events. Long story short, yeah he turned out to be gay, and he was really shy about it, not sure how his parents will react, friends etc... you know.
There was only some shocker among his parents, which is understandable, but that's a pretty private thing so I wasn't involved.
But, in the end nothing dramatic happened, he lives his life happily.

Now, in the other hand, ppl talk about bullying. Especially cause of someone elses sexuality. Well I tell you what, I got bullied because of my height, was the tallest always.
Some kid got bullied because of his eye color, some of his ethnicity, and some looked like a jew but he wasn't a jew, it was just basic bullying. I don't remember not even once where ppl got bullied because of their sexual orientation.
I suppose since it is a private matter, ppl don't really care. Well a boy dressing up as a girl and pretending to be one, that's another matter...But tell you what, when there are more than 8 billion human on the planet, trust me when I say that 8 billion doesn't give a damn about that. Unless you are Keanu Reeves or smth, or just simply shoving it into their faces via video games and stuff like that.

I know it is obvious, but ppl play video games, watch movies for fun and to escape real life for a bit.

[brendan_in_china]

Originally posted by Kryldost:

You're right, nobody should care if same sex people are in love its totally normal :P

Sure, but not totally everywhere. The problem I wrote about is when every single Deep gnome romance is gay and the narrative is for Deep gnomes to be populous.

Right now it looks like the Duergar are lying, yet there were so many gnome corpses. So... the rocks only fall on straight gnomes?? Sexist rock-falls!? :-P

I care a lot about game immersion. Get these stories aligned right please.

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One fix they could do is have Philomeen complain specifically she's not into females, thus her not wanting to be pestered by the other gnome woman. Now something hard-hitting like that would avert my expectations.

Then again, without pay-off these are just throw-away dialogues for world-building.

[Kryldost]

Doesn’t bother me at all, just as much as an ogre and a bugbear using a piece of pork as a dildo did not bother me.

[brendan_in_china]

Well, if that's content you'd be happy with in BG3, not much to talk about.

[Kryldost]

Its content that doesn’t really bother me, in fact I find the bugbear/ogre scene quite flavourful! Especially if you are a bard ;D

[brendan_in_china]

Got no problem with the bugbear/ogre scene; it happens once. You get clues, SH warns against interrupting, the goblins tell bawdy stories about it in their camp. It's foreshadowed and given context.

If however Larian decided to rewrite FR lore so that it happened every time you came across such a pairing, I'd give it the same groan and roll-eyes as the deep gnome treatment.

Basically, don't repeat a story twice+.

[Whut]

Well if you don;t like it. Kill it. That is what dnd is

[Kryldost]

Ahahahaha that's one way to deal with minor inconvenience, I like it