Baldur's Gate 3

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The women in this game.
Ok.

So far all women ive seen are somewhat rough around the edges ..does this change if you go deeper into the storyline ? Dont get me wrong i dont mind it when women act like this.

I really like lae'zel for example it fits her well and she has her moments.But if all behave like this i dont know it gets boring ..at least to me.

I would really like to see some girls with softer personalitys like Aerie from BG2.

And no i do not intend to bait people into starting a discussion about modern feminism and i´m not trying to make statements about larian.I know how fast topics like this can get out of hand ..please lets not go there.

Its just a question.
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Are we talking about Aerie ? Because I'm felling we are talking about Aerie
Practically sure in fact
Even if her theme was interessting
Nah, I don't even know who Aerie is. I don't think I've come across her if she's in Baldur yet.
I was only mentioning that part because most people seem to only want that specific kind of thing in games half the time, or think different means bad, when variety is better. It's also kind of just.. not good. In general.

Aerie is in BG2 and my personal favorite for female companions in that game.
Good story and good character.

@Brian Sirith
Yeah the pathfinder games are pretty good ..i started a playtrough in kingmaker a few weeks ago and at first it was a bit overwhelming i have to admint.But now it warmed up to me and i really enjoy it.

All the companions are top notch if you ask me no matter the gender.
Amiri is a good example for a strong women without it being "toxic" or unlikeable.

So i am looking forward to their new game for sure.

And on the topic of sexism ..i think larian really handles all of their characters very well.
You see alot of companies trying to push politics or "sexism" of some sort nowadays but i dont see it here.
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Yeah the pathfinder games are pretty good ..i started a playtrough in kingmaker a few weeks ago and at first it was a bit overwhelming i have to admint.But now it warmed up to me and i really enjoy it.

All the companions are top notch if you ask me no matter the gender.
Amiri is a good example for a strong women without it being "toxic" or unlikeable.

So i am looking forward to their new game for sure.

Their new game as far as I saw (the beta is 4/6 chapters) is better. It's got all the good things: great story, companion variety, solid combat and certain aspects I disliked in the first game -like feeling continuously rushed- are up to this point missing.

As for Aerie I love that shes this nice girl most of the time but if you're in a romance with her she gets snappy and even rude to any woman that comes close, will dump you if you put a toe out of line and gets much more independent. She changes much from the insecure young elf you meet.

Anyway... she's great!

Edit: And yup... every playthrough the moment I see her, thats it. To hell with trying the other lines.
En son Brian Sirith tarafından düzenlendi; 24 Haz 2021 @ 9:48
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What's interesting is that you can only translate "more female companions" into more submissive companions.

It's bizarre how many players don't have any clue on what can be an attaching companion, and that it doesn't means a single personality like kind and more criteria.

Sure Linzi is a very attaching companion, as is Morrigan, and as is Jack. Yeah, I stick to female companions. :-)

I could find more examples of very attaching companions covering a wide spectre of personalities.

That was just to be sympathetic to you. I'd love more female companions - especially if they were like Lae'zel. :P

We're coming from opposite perspectives because to me, Lae'zel is very much female (her romance scene is very "aggressive female" and would take a different tone if she were male). I think she's very attractive as well - a triple threat of physique, face, and voice. I barely notice the nose, and whatever face they used for her is pretty attractive all things considered. They really could have made gith look beyond just lanky and more like emaciated, mummy like aliens, but the females especially come off very fem. I find the female gith custom MC faces too cute actually. I know attractiveness to guys is different, but no one can deny how the gith females look in this game.

As for attaching, Lae'zel does consider the MC as an ally despite her abrasive nature, and the trust motif is still there with her as it is with the other companions. I don't know how deep or superficial her "romance" is, and if anything at all it will be atypical, but I dig her enough to follow her out through the rest of the game when it comes out - even if it's just flings.

So, different strokes for different folks. It's why you want to stick to your argument being subjective. If Larian wants to make a "nice" female companion with typical traits of youth and deference, then let's hope that character's story is interesting because we've seen it over and over in the past. But Larian won't lose sales for such a character's absence. If anything the more the characters stand out, the better, judging from the game's key art.
Did you played Mass Effect series? Lae'zel is a candy compared to Jack. Perhaps the comparison isn't right because Jack is ill mentally. Still don't try give me a lesson about female and aggressivity or some male cliché and companions I can find attaching or not. It's annoying you take conclusions on some comment about a character poorly writen.

Lae'zel aggressivity is a lacking of personality, she can only follow blindly her racial convention. not once she shows any ability to think by herself, I think writers are probably preparing a young Lae'zel totally immature and growing a bit along her character evolution. But the point is her aggressivity is kiddish and uninteresting, she behaves like an idiot angry boy and this can't make her sexy.

That you find her cute could be the point, she is cool for you and you find her cute, surprise, surprise. I don't find her cute, nor interesting and not attaching. She could be as well be male and it would change nothing.
En son Dorok tarafından düzenlendi; 24 Haz 2021 @ 12:56
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Did you played Mass Effect series? Lae'zel is a candy compared to Jack. Perhaps the comparison isn't right because Jack is ill mentally. Still don't try give me a lesson about female and aggressivity or some male cliché and companions I can find attaching or not. It's annoying you take conclusions on some comment about a character poorly writen.

Lae'zel aggressivity is a lacking of personality, she can only follow blindly her racial convention. not once she shows any ability to think by herself, I think writers are probably preparing a young Lae'zel totally immature and growing a bit along her character evolution. But the point is her aggressivity is kiddish and uninteresting, she behaves like an idiot angry boy and this can't make her sexy.

That you find her cute could be the point, she is cool for you and you find her cute, surprise, surprise. I don't find her cute, nor interesting and not attaching. She could be as well be male and it would change nothing.

That's funny. Some of the moments I thought she was the cutest was when she was angry. Also, I don't want to spoil it for anyone, but she quickly does learn that just blindly following convention might be the wrong way. After being betrayed and all.
For sure have an incomplete perspective can change the vision, I don't remind her of anything else than be a robot.

I thought the reverse about angry, because of her broken nose put at a wrong position, I suspected that if she was smiling a lot it would make her physic more attractive. Now I think of it she is contantly angry, she never smile, never laugh, nor even is ever happy, poor girl, but I can't have piety, perhaps because I'm a male and idiot immature boys are idiot immature boys and can't have anything sexy.
Attaching female companions: Jack, Kasumi, Cora, Morrigan, Merrill, Isabela, Aveline, Cassandra, Kaelyn, Verse, Sirin, Devil of Caroc, Xoti, Linzi, Eiger, Glory, Imoan BG1, Branwen, Viconia, Aerie, Mazzy.

Because of memory but sometimes probably because of companions less developed, I skipped some games or some companions.

Still, can I now complain that one of only two female companions is a Gith, without having people trying this lecturing or that lecturing based on plain wrong guesses? :-)

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For sure interesting female companions list would make sense, but currently companions main weakness for me is not be enough attaching.
En son Dorok tarafından düzenlendi; 24 Haz 2021 @ 14:27
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Did you played Mass Effect series? Lae'zel is a candy compared to Jack. Perhaps the comparison isn't right because Jack is ill mentally. Still don't try give me a lesson about female and aggressivity or some male cliché and companions I can find attaching or not. It's annoying you take conclusions on some comment about a character poorly writen.

Lae'zel aggressivity is a lacking of personality, she can only follow blindly her racial convention. not once she shows any ability to think by herself, I think writers are probably preparing a young Lae'zel totally immature and growing a bit along her character evolution. But the point is her aggressivity is kiddish and uninteresting, she behaves like an idiot angry boy and this can't make her sexy.

That you find her cute could be the point, she is cool for you and you find her cute, surprise, surprise. I don't find her cute, nor interesting and not attaching. She could be as well be male and it would change nothing.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say in your first paragraph.

I can't really debate on whether or not she acts like an angry little boy or not, as that is subjective. Her immaturity is supposed to be in contrast to her usually quite held together demeanor. You can insult her and she doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥. You stray from the focus of getting the tadpole out and she'll snap at you to stay on task. Her character type is supposed to be one that is mature and withstands anything thrown at her.

So when she suddenly loses her fire like a shy kid or has a meltdown in the following scene, it's supposed to contrast. She's not childish on the regular.

If what you mean by immaturity is her usual abrasive attitude, there's two things going on with that. 1) Half of the overt hostility she possesses is due to you playing any of the races that isn't a fellow gith. She hates being in Faerun. She's been raised to see every non-gith as inferiors not worth the time. And she is quite literally even farther from her dream of being a chosen of her god-Queen and being seen as worthy in her society. She's not having a good time.

Play as a gith and a lot of her bite goes away. You see more of the devoted - borderline religious, protocol following gith and less of the "I hate istik - do as I say" gith.

2) That is part of what makes her interesting and why I prefer playing as a non-gith. The over-the-top aggressivity makes her interesting to the player because that is a non-standard trait in females for most of our cultures. Quite the opposite of what you say - her aggressiveness makes her MORE interesting.
The casual arrogance. The intense confrontative attitude. Her preference to fight first and ask questions never. Even her proposition to the PC. It's a bit of a childish arrogance, but it's interesting. These traits would be boring in a male character. Javik from Mass Effect is probably her closest equivalent, and while interesting, his arrogance came off simply as such. Basic. Where I find Lae'zel's arrogance as pretty charming. Again that's more tailored to my own personal tastes, but my point being that an uncommon trait garners more interest than run of the mill stuff.
I don't know, perhaps I didn't played with her enough despite she tends be my party fighter.

What you see as mature is for me the reverse. Her obsession of the tadpole and Gith patrol is a self centered character thinking only on herself, unable to take any distance with tadpole despite there's all evidence it's no way a standard tadpole. If the feeling of urgency worked for you despite the multiple rests, and despite many comments hinting they should have been transformed already, then I suppose you found all companions crazy, rushed to Gith patrol, ignore druids and guests' problems, or any other problems.

If you don't have anything better to pinpoint her maturity then I can't follow you on that path.

For the repeated aggressive behavior, the point is it's here, is it her personality or just racial automatism, and acquired racism, it's just here and argues it's Gith would bring the question on what are Gith, but the game doesn't say much on that, nor any D&D games I played. And if it's Gith cliché, then the problem is it's a cliché personality, just following the standards with no personality.

On one point I would agree, it's that the female aspect could be a little bit more interesting than a male. But with a male they would have been forced to have a writing having more finesse or it would have been a weird companion.

I can appreciate female:
- Aggressive for example, Jack, Verse, Isabela, Aveline if I remember well,
- With some male cliché for example, Aveline, Cassandra, Eiger.
- With bragging hyper confident personalities for example, Sirin, Kasumi, Verse, Jack, Morrigan, Isabela.
- With leader personality for example, Isabela, Morrigan, Kaelin, perhaps Aveline.

But it's not working for Lae'zel.

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But let be clear, as a companion, I don't find har worse than Astarion or Gale. My list would be:
5. Shadowheart but can't really say without more development
12. Gale & Astarion & Lae'zel
49. Wyll.
En son Dorok tarafından düzenlendi; 24 Haz 2021 @ 15:08
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EDIT:
But let be clear, as a companion, I don't find har worse than Astarion or Gale. My list would be:
5. Shadowheart but can't really say without more development
12. Gale & Astarion & Lae'zel
49. Wyll.

I'm a shadowheart fan as well... I even like that she's a trickery cleric. Mirror image on her is amazing. Not just for combat though. Her transition as she grows to like you more is probably the most apparent in the game. Though I have to say I never was disliked by her too much, but I play a half elf normally as well. Which she responds better to.
A lot of players do find it annoying that she is adamant about being cured even after we learn its been tampered with. You're right that she is a self-interested character. She is unarguably callous and self-focused. I assume part of her urgency is less about turning and more about how her future in her society somewhat hinges on being anything other than a tainted lost cause.

Again, I see her underlying character as stalwart. She wants to maintain an image that nothing stands in her way, and I think some of that is more than just bravado. Her description defines her as an exceptional warrior even among her own kind. Nothing in the storyline really affects her except the Gith Patrol.
She outright dismisses the Devil's deal, which is portrayed like a nightmarish encounter. And I think it's also important to note that the game emphasizes the tadpole as antagonistic and that Lae'zel is constantly telling you to resist it no matter what - to the point that conversations about it almost give her the aura of a mystic (Camp 2, Sazza scene, Tadpole dreams 1 & 2). I think when the game moves on from the initial tadpole cure plot, we might find her as a formidable ally that was worth keeping around.

I personally think her plot sort of has to do with that last question. Is her aggression (or strength as I like to see it) just culturally indoctrinated or her personality? I think it's both, and that we might get an interesting story from that. A sort of shedding of superficial racial and cultural superiority in favor of a more solid, self-identified pride that was innate but probably unsteady and immature. One that is more flexible and even more stalwart in dealing with situations protocol would dictate that there is no way out from. Being an intimate observer or confidant in that journey sounds exciting to me as well.

I agree to disagree on whether this character type is working for Lae'zel since we still have two thirds of the game yet to see. At this point in time, I think it is working and am intrigued by Larian's take.
I agree that no matter the companion, have only a very partial view through Act 1, doesn't say much on what will be the companion with the perspective of the whole game.

Still, I think it's a doubtful design choice to have 20H to 40H of play and still have no clearly attaching companion, I don't mean for all players, but for a lot too many including myself, the case of Shadowheart is a bit ambiguous for me, I'd say half attaching from what I played.

About how much interesting they are or not, I don't have much opinion, for me none are flat but a bit Wyll and it's questionable.

For some mature aspect of the Gith, for me it's the reverse, I got the feeling she was going to be a young girl growing, not thinking much, following a bit blindly the rules/orders/hierarchy but this will change, and what happens at Gith patrol is a big hint of it for me.

But it's a feeling, and some of her comments could hint at more maturity, and I could not have noticed well.
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I agree to disagree on whether this character type is working for Lae'zel since we still have two thirds of the game yet to see. At this point in time, I think it is working and am intrigued by Larian's take.
I could have explained it badly, but that's the point, the problem isn't the personality for a female character but this mixed with Gith topic.

I would even argue that so for being authoritarian a female need be Gith, that's the conclusion of BG3 EA.
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really like to see some girls with softer personalities like Aerie

Same here, the "sweet" & "innocent" are always a needed comrade in adventures!

Just don't forget the other softer personalities that you might be a fan of? Remember the ones who're nice, yet unlike Aerie can get what they want & even reach high political office.

Margaery from "Game of Thrones" is a perfect example, or something sorta like Nalia from BG2.
What? I won't comment on the Nalia thing, I remind almost nothing of her.

But Margaery the "sweet" & "innocent" it's with huge quotes then. Margaery young is no way Aerie, she has no personality but a fascination for power, she betrays her family, she loves a total idiot, she is great at making concessions and stay passive and close her eyes and ears. Then she grows, learns fast, becomes a manipulation master, avid of power, she has no vision and care of nothing but eventually, family, has no piety, and thankfully she failed to rule them all or it should have been a disaster.

EDIT:
That said, I'll never ever watch again this series, but eventually did it a few times along the whole difusion.
First reason: I can't bear the pure evil guy (not the dead king who is a candy in comparison), it's too much abuse of cruelty, could work once but after it's more and more irritating and exhausting and smells too much the stinky way to increase the audience.
Second reason: The last season totally and absurdly rushed, I hope they'll get punished and will screw up anything star wars they will did.
Third reason: Kill the dragon's queen and the pathetic hypocritical morale that only non human without any single humanity because of zero emotion is the only wise government possible is a big absurd joke. A reign of terror under the dragon's queen's iron hand would have been a lot better. Without to mention how the end is a totally unrealistic Fantasy, seriously give a morale lesson through such an incoherent irrealistic end, sure let be ruled by robots, the writer was seriously too old already.
En son Dorok tarafından düzenlendi; 24 Haz 2021 @ 18:16
Ok, I see what you mean, you ignore the "sweet" & "innocent" Margaery and jump to the manipulative character avid of power and vengeance, with no piety, using people and betraying them, and apparently sweet but it's totally fake and just a manipulative illusion.

I wouldn't exchange 1 Morrigan against 100 Margaery, to be clear I always disliked deeply Margaery, I always see her clearly from a boredom naive to a no piety manipulative avid of power and vengeance. Morrigan is a very good person in comparison at least if you forget she was ready to sacrifice a baby lol.

For Daenerys that's the book author who decided her fate, that's the series that made it totally absurd certainly because of the absurd rush of last season. See Daenerys fall in darkness and madness would have been heartbreaking but so much more credible, and for the clues in previous seasons that's crap or they tried to hide too much the end. It's a typical case of writing too much obsessed by surprise up to destroy the credibility of characters building and evolution.

For Daenerys and feminism well I'm not sure it's very pertinent, for emotions, it's the series screw up totally the building of a Daenerys falling in darkness and madness, it's a lot too brutal. The surprise was stupid, at reverse see it coming, at first with doubts, then more and more sure, would have been ultra strong.

I don't want spoil Blackguards 2 but it's a perfect example of knowing a fate is lot more powerful than any surprise, there's also a relation to madness but not only. Another example but a bit weird because it really works with replay, this is Mass Effect trilogy replayed at the light of a previous full play of the trilogy, Know the fate of the hero gives a lot of power to so many details, it's knowing that makes the writing stronger not a surprise that last a few seconds.
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