Deities for all

[id795078477]

I'd like to have an option to select a deity to worship even if the class I chose doesn't require one.
My PC doesn't want to end in the wall of the faithless after all.

[Mr. Phil Good]

I imagine that we will be able to once the game is released.

[Alealexi]

I don't see that as a priority atm.

[Brian Sirith]

Would be nice but if its not going to have a mechanic impact maybe just imagine it? My Bhaalspawn Fighter worshipped* Gond. Wasn't on his sheet but it gives a nice feel.

*Worshipped = thought Gond was a cool guy.

[Mr. Phil Good]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Alealexi:

I don't see that as a priority atm.

Definitely not for the EA, but I imagine, considering if you look at every character their deity is the same right now, that it will become part of the character creating process and possibly a conversation choice or topic as a action or reaction during a conversation. Sort of like how race and/or class pops up as a response choice during conversations.

[malkavius77]

Always thought it was kinda lame how they added wall of the faithless in D&D. Feels like someone religious people worked at WoC wanted anyone who is atheist or agnostic to suffer a hell even though they didn't believe in it.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

I like this idea too.

[Streeja]

I think they can give you a text box to put in a backstory, your deity, your home town, what ever. I wouldn't spend a lot of development time on this.

[id795078477]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Sew:

NO. 😡

This is a feature exclusively for certain classes like my favorite Paladin, but if everyone has it then it further takes away their specialness.

In Steven Crowder's voice "The deity option is only for specific classes! Change my mind." lol.

Why? In-lore, a creature doesn't have to be "any class" to dedicate themselves to a deity. What's more, in-lore, if a mortal does not worship any god then they are deemed as faithless and upon death Kelemvor will imprint them into the Wall of Faithless where their very soul will dissipate into the void and disappear forever. It's not your "death" punishment - everything about what made the creature, it's very crux and essence, the soul - will be lost.

Play NWN2 Mask of The Betrayer if you want to see what it truly means, but suffice it to say that a small UI feature is worth adding: it's a small change for a huge in-lore gain.

[Vorpal Spoon]

It would be nice if they added some flavor text here and there should they implement it. Otherwise, if the function does not serve a purpose in game then it's pointless including it, wall or not.

[id795078477]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Vorpal Spoon:

It would be nice if they added some flavor text here and there should they implement it. Otherwise, if the function does not serve a purpose in game then it's pointless including it, wall or not.

But there is no feature to include. It's already in the game. The ask is just to unlock the ability for the choice of deity for anyone, regardless of the class.

[RealDealBreaker]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Sew:

NO. 😡

This is a feature exclusively for certain classes like my favorite Paladin, but if everyone has it then it further takes away their specialness.

In Steven Crowder's voice "The deity option is only for specific classes! Change my mind." lol.

Paladins in 5e do not have to be the least bit religious. They swear an oath that is reflective of some set of ideals and those ideals can align with a god's/a religion's dogma but it is not at all required. In fact, this clearly shown in the class description/flavor text in the PHB.

[Lλmbdλ]

I 100% agree
You can be a pious warrior, thief, or even warlock (it could be fun) without being a clerc or multiclass into clerc
It's should be possible

[Hunter]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย GrandMajora:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Dellecross:

I'd like to have an option to select a deity to worship even if the class I chose doesn't require one.
My PC doesn't want to end in the wall of the faithless after all.

If I'm not mistaken, the Wall of the Faithless was finally destroyed around the events of the spell plague.

Now, atheists get sent to the 9th layer of Hell, where their souls are consumed by Asmodeus' true form.

But yeah, it would be nice to be able to pick a deity, without being restricted to a religious class. A feature which has been implemented in Wrath of the Righteous.

Link? The wall of faithless is still exist. The only thing spellplague destroyed is the Shar's shadow weave

[.Master Jiren, The Strongest]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย malkavius77:

Always thought it was kinda lame how they added wall of the faithless in D&D. Feels like someone religious people worked at WoC wanted anyone who is atheist or agnostic to suffer a hell even though they didn't believe in it.

Well DnD has very specific Pantheons. So, the Gods are real. If your character is too ignorant, then they suffer the consequences. Its not like in real life where we just don't know for sure. In real life, its fine to not believe, because even the most religious people will tell you it can't be proven. But in DnD? Bro, the book literally tells you who the Gods are, what they do, etc. The Gods are real, they exist, its a very detailed hierarchy. If your character doesn't believe, he's just ignorant lol.

I'm not religious in real life, I don't follow any religion. I'm more of a conspiracy theorist than anything, i'd sooner believe in aliens than space dad floating around on a cloud. But for DnD? I'm a huge fan of Theros, because i'm a huge fan of mythology. I think even if its not believable, it sure as hell is fun. So all my DnD characters have a god, someone they worship or feel protected by, as a partial explanation for why they have a class level or havn't died yet despite the odds. I'm a huge fan of the Piety system as well.

Don't expect a piety system for BG3, it just isnt going to happen, but I have one for all the games that I DM , I reward players if they act in accordance with their Gods wishes, I reward players for worshipping at the temple, for doing services for priests, so on and so forth, if you put forth effort you get rewarded, this isn't a detriment to those who didnt take a god to worship because they don't have to invest time or resources into it, but neither do they receive a reward. Rather than worshipping a God and performing your duties to gain rewards, you can instead start a business, or become a gladiator, build an army, serve a Djinn, theres lots of things you can do, you don't HAVE to choose piety, its a choice.

So, having said all that. Don't expect a Piety system, and that means its likely we wont get to pick Gods, but a Mod can fix that. It wont ultimately matter though, because there wont be recorded voice lines anyway, so it just wont matter beyond your own personal roleplay. Maybe we can hope some very strong modder builds a piety system and adds more religion based options to the game for dialogue and stuff, but that would be quite a bit of work. Maybe we'll get lucky and in a couple years Larian introduces the Piety DLC but thats even less likely. Theres more important things tbh, it just aint up on the list.

[id795078477]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Jiren, The Strongest:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย malkavius77:

Always thought it was kinda lame how they added wall of the faithless in D&D. Feels like someone religious people worked at WoC wanted anyone who is atheist or agnostic to suffer a hell even though they didn't believe in it.

Well DnD has very specific Pantheons. So, the Gods are real. If your character is too ignorant, then they suffer the consequences. Its not like in real life where we just don't know for sure. In real life, its fine to not believe, because even the most religious people will tell you it can't be proven. But in DnD? Bro, the book literally tells you who the Gods are, what they do, etc. The Gods are real, they exist, its a very detailed hierarchy. If your character doesn't believe, he's just ignorant lol.

Yes, correct. If anything, I find the term "faith" very misleading in the context of DnD. Faith in the context of religion is something one takes on a sheer belief and without any proof. In DnD gods are not an unknown entity, there is undeniable proof they exist, act and influence the world.

As such, "faithfulness" is a wrongly postulated concept. It's much more appropriate to call the "faith" in a certain god to be a devotion to that god and the punishment arises exactly for the lack of such devotion - not for "just not believing" - since that can only be a blatant or purposeful ignorance.