Why Barrelmancy Needs To Die

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

It's complete, utter non-sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq2G7Piq6N4

[Wyrlish]

引用自 pandariuskairos：

At best there's an argument for spilled oil to deal 5 damage per round for 640 rounds (or until extinguished) as long as the target remains within the puddle of burning oil.

Aren't barrels op though and deal too much damage? I'm confused, is it op or not?

[PirateMouse]

引用自 Wyrlish：

what not gonna copy the part where i said it was crap

Well, you got one thing right, if I just cut you off right here: it definitely was crap. It was a crap argument. What's astonishing is that you made it and then, somehow, you thought "nailed it!"

I mean, we seriously have people here arguing that games shouldn't have any rules, calling any limitations in them "authoritarian," and I just ... what? What even is this thread anymore? If I were actually trying, deliberately, to concoct the silliest, most unhinged arguments in defense of an exploding barrel exploit that I could possibly conjure, I couldn't come up with anything dumber or more bizarre than half of what's being said here.

It's kind of amazing. Impressive, even, in a way.

[Wyrlish]

引用自 KittyHat：

引用自 Wyrlish：

what not gonna copy the part where i said it was crap

Well, you got one thing right, if I just cut you off right here: it definitely was crap. It was a crap argument. What's astonishing is that you made it and then, somehow, you thought "nailed it!"

I mean, we seriously have people here arguing that games shouldn't have any rules, calling any limitations in them "authoritarian," and I just ... what? What even is this thread anymore? If I were actually trying, deliberately, to concoct the silliest, most unhinged arguments in defense of an exploding barrel exploit that I could possibly conjure, I couldn't come up with anything dumber or more bizarre than half of what's being said here.

It's kind of amazing. Impressive, even, in a way.

I would continue arguing with you, but I'm starting to sober up and the only way I can understand all you barrelhpobes is while I'm under the influence. It makes so little sense that I can't comprehend it under normal circumstances, so gonna bow out for now till I'm out enough to understand what you're saying.

[TheBlueFox]

Can you imagine being wholly incapable of keeping your mouse cursor from being magnetically attracted to barrels, being unable to stop yourself from rightclicking them to add them to your inventory since the default action is to destroy them, and hauling them around to use upon enemies that are easily defeated without them just to complain that they're too good and need to be removed.

Can you try just destroying them on sight? Just click them with a bow. There the big scary barrels are gone and cant hurt you! Now you can play without them and other people can play with them if they want

[Alealexi]

I'm still surprised this post is not dead yet. It should have died along time ago.

[Izunyami]

引用自 KittyHat：

引用自 Wyrlish：

Ah so YOUR interpretation of the rules is more important than my own?

Tell you what, sport: if you can find a DM who'll let you do 1,600 damage in a D&D game using a barrel of oil, you're welcome to do it. Go, fly and be free, with my blessing.

Meanwhile, it's a stupid interpretation of the rules, it's not something any sane group would allow unless the game was deliberately a satirical one (which I've played in one like that once, and it was fun, but we knew exactly what we were doing going into it), and most of all, it's not RAW.

Your attempt at making a point with it has failed. Move on.

1. You people seriously have no sense of humor. It was obviously a facetious post.
2. There's already been a story posted here (by one of you people) of a DM letting his players build, basically, an ion canon. And using it. Your highly specific demand is nonsensical when there are DMs that allow even more crazy things.

引用自 pandariuskairos：

One should also note that the rules for using oil also state that one has to splash it on a target or hit them with a ranged attack to cover them in it, or spill it on the ground to create a surface and the set it on fire.

Nowhere in the description of flask of oil does it mention exploding...

Or if the DM decides that how the players decide to use the flask doesn't need those rules or needs a different rule to measure success. Because RAW isn't everything. The DM (God) is.

BTW: what happens when you shoot a sufficiently high-velocity projectile into a barrel? The barrel breaks. What happens when a barrel full of liquid breaks? The liquid spreads outward. Far. What happens when oil is ignited? It burns. It catches on fire.

So what happens when you break a barrel full of oil and cause it to ignite? The now burning oil spreads outward. What's another name for something fiery that spreads outward? Oh yeah, an explosion.

Stop watching Michael Bay movies. Those aren't explosions. You obviously don't know what an explosion actually is.

[Izunyami]

引用自 Alealexi：

I'm still surprised this post is not dead yet. It should have died along time ago.

They. Never. Stop. Whining. I mean, Panda literally has 20% of ALL posts containing the word "barrel" on this discussion board. By him/herself. Let alone that they felt the need to have two threads on this topic until the mods finally locked the other one like... one day ago.

Kinda funny though; they stopped responding to me completely; I guess they're too afraid of the things I say because they keep getting their pseudo-facts stomped in by reality.

[Wyrlish]

引用自 Izunyami：

引用自 Alealexi：

I'm still surprised this post is not dead yet. It should have died along time ago.

They. Never. Stop. Whining. I mean, Panda literally has 20% of ALL posts containing the word "barrel" on this discussion board. By him/herself. Let alone that they felt the need to have two threads on this topic until the mods finally locked the other one like... one day ago.

Kinda funny though; they stopped responding to me completely; I guess they're too afraid of the things I say because they keep getting their pseudo-facts stomped in by reality.

It's kinda funny as well that they decided to respond to me for once even though I classically offer low hanging fruit that only an idiot would engage with unless they want their argument derailed and discredited.
Deliberately on my part I might add. It's entertaining that they finally decided to respond.

[rdpeyton]

A barrel walked into a bank, and after waiting in line said to the teller, "This is a robbery. Put all of your cash into this bag, and don't try anything stupid or I'll blow up!"

The teller did as requested and the barrel ran out of the bank and around the corner to where another barrel had a getaway car waiting. As they sped away, the driver barrel said to the robber barrel, "how'd it go?" The robber barrel, lighting a cigarette, said, BOOM.

Lesson: don't smoke in a car with explosive barrels.

[Luuin]

holy crap. who the hell cares. if someone wants to spend an hour or 2 grouping that many ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ barrels in one spot for one fight, then let them.

THIS ISNT COMPETITIVE PVP. WHAT I DO IN MY GAME DOESN'T AFFECT WHAT YOU DO IN YOUR GAME AND VISE VERSA.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

引用自 Luuin：

holy crap. who the hell cares. if someone wants to spend an hour or 2 grouping that many ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ barrels in one spot for one fight, then let them.

THIS ISNT COMPETITIVE PVP. WHAT I DO IN MY GAME DOESN'T AFFECT WHAT YOU DO IN YOUR GAME AND VISE VERSA.

False.

Enemies use barrels too.

[Izunyami]

引用自 Wyrlish：

引用自 Izunyami：

They. Never. Stop. Whining. I mean, Panda literally has 20% of ALL posts containing the word "barrel" on this discussion board. By him/herself. Let alone that they felt the need to have two threads on this topic until the mods finally locked the other one like... one day ago.

Kinda funny though; they stopped responding to me completely; I guess they're too afraid of the things I say because they keep getting their pseudo-facts stomped in by reality.

It's kinda funny as well that they decided to respond to me for once even though I classically offer low hanging fruit that only an idiot would engage with unless they want their argument derailed and discredited.
Deliberately on my part I might add. It's entertaining that they finally decided to respond.

It was painfully obvious that you weren't being serious but they still took it that way. I don't think they understand sarcasm and take literally everything seriously; Panda responded to me in another thread... where I was deliberately mocking Panda for promoting an ''exploit'' that was clearly more "game-breaking" than barrels. But Panda took it completely seriously, somehow.

引用自 pandariuskairos：

引用自 Luuin：

holy crap. who the hell cares. if someone wants to spend an hour or 2 grouping that many ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ barrels in one spot for one fight, then let them.

THIS ISNT COMPETITIVE PVP. WHAT I DO IN MY GAME DOESN'T AFFECT WHAT YOU DO IN YOUR GAME AND VISE VERSA.

False.

Enemies use barrels too.

False.

Almost no battle involves barrels to begin with and almost no enemies use them. In fact, it's effectively 0.

But you'd defend multi-classing power gaming? So some ''exploits'' are ok but others aren't? lmao.

[PirateMouse]

引用自 Luuin：

holy crap. who the hell cares.

Two groups of people, apparently:

1. People who don't want silly, immersion-shattering exploits left in their games just because "you don't have to use it"
2. People who desperately, in some cases even fanatically want to keep this particular exploit

[Izunyami]

引用自 KittyHat：

引用自 Luuin：

holy crap. who the hell cares.

Two groups of people, apparently:

1. People who don't want silly, immersion-shattering exploits left in their games just because "you don't have to use it"
2. People who desperately, in some cases even fanatically want to keep this particular exploit

And this is why some of us still respond. This right here makes me laugh; how can anyone be this arrogant and haughty?

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

引用自 KittyHat：

引用自 Luuin：

holy crap. who the hell cares.

Two groups of people, apparently:

1. People who don't want silly, immersion-shattering exploits left in their games just because "you don't have to use it"
2. People who desperately, in some cases even fanatically want to keep this particular exploit

There's a 3rd group:

Those who want a well balanced game.

I'm 1/2 #1 and 1/2 #3.